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collection of plural resources:
beginning:
What is plurality? (link)
Am I plural? (link)
New/Questioning system (link)
Plurality hub (link)
Plurality resource (link)
guides:
Multiplicity links (link)
Healthymultiplicity (link)
DIS-SOS (link)
First person plural (link)
The plurality playbook (link)
Multiplicity database systemology (link)
New alter (link)
Unblur (link)
specifics:
System sources (link)
Resources for faceclaims (link)
System communication and journaling (link)
System internet safety (link)
Powertotheplurals (link)
System Comfort's plural resources (link)
Plurality resources (link)
Discussing dissociation (link)
Exploration into endogenic & non-disordered plurality (link)
Endogenic systems (link)
Endogenic systems new carrd (link)
Endogenic hub (link)
Tulpas and mental health (link)
The tulpamancy guide I wish I had (link)
Tulpanomicon (link)
Tulpia.io (link)
The chimera's library (link)
information:
The plural dictionary (link)
Plural terms (link)
Quick'n'dirty plural history (link)
Pluralpedia (link)
Multiplicity and plurality wiki (link)
Kinhost.org (link)
Tulpa.info (link)
Soulbonding info (link)
Soulbonding links (link)
services:
Simply Plural - alter logging & chatting (app & site)
Anytype - journaling (app)
Twinote - chatting (app)
Ifake - chatting (app)
Antar - chatting (app)
Fortelling - system logging (app)
Notion - system logging, journaling, chatting (app & site)
Pronouns.cc - system logging (site)
Lighthouse - system logging & journaling (site)
Pluralkit - social bot (discord)
Tupperbox - social bot (discord)
Firefox Multiacc Extension - multiaccounts (extension)
Feedbro - multiaccounts (extension)
feel free to reblog with more resources, will update as new resources are found! last updated: Dec. 16, 2024
I do believe in my heart that maybe a lot of fictives out there are Soulbounds but are too bombarded by their host that theyâre fictives/introjects that they donât realize their life actually was real and isnât just a coping mechanism for their host.
I keep seeing "transotherkin" flag creation posts in the otherkin tag recently, and I just - takes your hands gently in mine. You are already otherkin. I don't know how to say this more gently, but - regardless of your feelings on other transx/transID identities and how well they are or aren't handled, transotherkin is a word that does not make any sense basically no matter which way you slice it. It's like saying you're transtransgender. It's already an internal identity determined entirely by your feelings and how you see yourself. If you want to be nonhuman/feel you should be nonhuman enough to be calling yourself transotherkin you are already otherkin - genuinely, what else do you think is required to qualify, exactly? And even if you well and truly are absolutely certain you're not already despite those feelings, you can just... become otherkin, or an otherlinker (a term that will yield more "okay but how do I do that" resources if you look into it), whatever term you prefer. It's okay. With all the gentleness in my heart, stop enshrining questioning doubt and gatekeeping-inflicted self-doubt as part of your identity and just claim the word that you have every right to anyway. It's okay. You're allowed. Come sit with us.
to put in as simply as i can. telling someone that you do not believe their experiences with themself, that science has yet to prove either way, saying that is inherently wrong ableist and that they don't actually know themselves, is not kind. no matter how you word it. people are allowed to take offense to that, and people have every right to not want to be around you after that.
Syscourse Speedrun
- Endogenic means a system formed for reasons not correlated to trauma
- Endogenic does NOT mean a complete lack of trauma in an individual
- Endogenics, Pro-Endos and adjacent fundamentally view systemhood differently and outside of solely disordered experiences
That said...
- Complex Dissociative Disorders (DID/OSDD/Etc) have well known and studied ties to trauma, with complexity rising from prolonged and severe cases.
- Trauma is not part of diagnostic criteria to include those who cannot remember their trauma due to dissociation. Not because it isn't an important or known factor.
- Integration =/= Fusion, Integration is the lessening of dissociative barriers and a systems ability to function together. Fusion is the merging of parts.
- Final fusion and functional multiplicity are both viable end goals and up to the systems desires and needs. Integration is required for both of these.
- People are allowed to be affected positively AND negatively by their disorders and life experiences.
- People are also allowed to view their disorders in whatever way they desire
- It is not your job to police people because you think what they're doing is harmful for them.
- It is also not your job to tell people they have trauma that they just don't know about.
- Dissociation is a spectrum.
- Other disorders experience dissociative parts with less elaboration like those with DID/OSDD/Etc
- Westernized Tulpamancy and Tulpas as known today are not directly related to Tibetan Buddist Nirmanakaya or Sprul-pa. Westernized Tulpamancy comes from 20th century mystic explorers, who developed these ideas mostly independently.
- Vajrayana and Mahayana Buddhism are open and inclusive religions anyway, but what Tulpamancers practice is very different.
- There is a conversation to be had about the suppression of religious freedom that has affected Tibetan Buddhism, but it's still not a closed practice.
- Something here about Theosophy in relation to Westernized Tulpamancy
- Plural is not solely synonymous with system, and not everyone who identifies as plural is a system.
- Not every system will identify as plural either.
- The term plural has ties to other non-system communities such as alterhumanity.
- Plural is an inherently inclusive term.
- People are allowed to be wrong about their origins in whatever potential way.
- Being wrong is not equivalent to faking.
- Origins are self applied labels and tell you very little about a person and their system
- Origins can and often do overlap.
- Endogenic origins does not mean a system cannot be diagnosed and meet criteria for a CDD.
- People are allowed to view and label their parts in whatever way is best for them.
- System accountability is important. You are one tangible entity and you take responsibility for the things that occur because of your system.
- Discourse stances do not make a person or space inherently safer or more dangerous.
- People's actions speak louder than labels, and anyone can be a horrible person.
- Its up to a system to determine their own boundaries and needs.
- You don't need to argue if your boundaries differ from someone else's; enforce your own.
- Block people and topics that make you uncomfortable and especially if they're potentially triggering.
- Genuinely, please just learn to be friends with the block button.
- Harassment is bad no matter who you are.
- Yes it's still bad if you disagree with someone or think they're in the wrong.
- Criticism is not harassment.
- Even if you don't intent to change your mind, facilitating genuine conversation with people instead of assuming things about them or their experiences will contribute to a better interaction for both sides.
- Ableism is bad.
- Stop using things like delusional as Insults or treating people with ficticious disorder poorly.
- Stop treating mentally ill adults as inherently incapable of functioning or dictating things for themselves.
- Sanism is Also bad.
- Fake claiming is bad.
- Stop insinuating that pro-endos (and adjacent) aren't traumatized, aren't systems or can't have CDDs.
- Yes, again, fake claiming is bad even if you don't like or disagree with someone.
- Stop saying its "so easy" to tell who fakers are.
- The psychiatric and mental health systems are full of flaws.
- Diagnosis is a privilege for some and isn't for others.
- Some people may not want or desire a diagnosis for many reasons. This does not make their problems any less than.
- Being medically recognized is just as valid as having a diagnosis.
- Yes, therapists can diagnose people with things. A title does not equal credentials.
- If a therapist cannot diagnose you due to their credentials or other factors but suspects something, they will refer you to another professional who can for evaluation.
- Some therapists will choose of their own volition not to diagnose patients for varying reasons.
- Self diagnosis and self suspecting isn't a bad thing. Research is always encouraged for accuracy of what you suspect.
- The resources people find through self diagnosis even if not the right thing to suspect can be helpful for someone's situation.
- Reiterating here again that being wrong isn't faking, and that being wrong isn't a bad thing.
- Being able to help yourself cope is a good thing.
- Recognizing your symptoms if you intend to speak to a professional is also a good thing.
People are all different, be kind.
If you have questions I'm glad to talk, if you are aggressive or just trying to start something, you will be blocked :)
May I present to the room the fictionflicker severity scale, designed based on past experiences:
Category 1: not even really quite a flicker, more like âa character I felt odd aboutâ or maybe it was even just the source but who can say⊠It must have been the wind
Category 2: once itâs gone itâs gone and looking back on it now. I feel nothing. âA flicker I hadâ
Category 3 type A: one-time flicker that definitely had some lasting effect at least but revisiting the media gives a very diluted feeling, if any at all
Category 3 type B: one-time flicker that had like 0 impact on my life overall but revisiting would probably put me right back in where we left off
Category 4: recurring flicker, rewatching means reflickering, even if I havenât touched the thing in years some things still manage to bring up old flicker feelings, we are now entering âone of my flickersâ territory
Category 5: beyond level of recurring flicker, some mild background radiation level of brain presence is still consistent even outside of flickering them, this is âa fictotype I questionedâ territory now
Category 6 type A: Oops! Thatâs You!
Category 6 type B: Oops! Thatâs Not You!
I felt a certain way about my identities and synpathy today. Mostly how they feel through my synesthesia, I tried putting it on a comprehensive artwork.
[This is how my identities feel, not how the labels themselves feel.]
To people who feel like their identity is unwelcome in the alterhuman community, just know, I see you
Fictionkin, I see you
Otherkin, I see you
Otherlinks, I see you
Constelics, I see you
Otherkith, I see you
Paleotherians, I see you
Synpaths, I see you
Plantkin, I see you
Fictionkith, I see you
Conceptkin, I see you
Copinglinks, I see you
Choicekin, I see you
Polymorph, I see you
Theriofluid, I see you
Bugs, fish, birds, I see you
Characters, colors, songs, I see you
Aliens, I see you
To therians and otherhearted with canine or feline therio/hearttypes, stop leaving us out. Stop forgetting about us. The alterhuman community is made of more than just you
Shout out to the alterhumans!!!!
-To all the beings with 1 kintype
-To all the beings with loadsssssssssssssss of kin types
-To the beings who donât feel very connected to their kin or only faintly feel like them
-To all the beings who wholly identify as their kin and very rarely or donât even at all in any way identify as human
-To all the beings who are transspecies, physical therians/kins, have clinical zooanthropy/lycanthropy or experience creature-like delusions
-To the therians with common theriotypes
-To the therians with extremely rare/not well known, extinct or nonexistent theriotypes
-To the fictionkins who donât really act like their kinâs a lot
-To the non-therians who regularly get mistaken as therians
-To the therians who donât do quads or wear masks
-To the other/animalhearts, otherlinks/kins, copinglinks and otherpaw
-To the clado, omni, ambi and cambi-therians
-To the conceptkins, plantkins, objectkins, songkins, placekins and others
-To the beings with extreme species dysphoria
-To the beings with no dysphoria
-To the beings who donât have a safe space to express their alterhumanity
-To the grey-muzzles and to the newly awakened
-To the beings who do or donât wear gear
-To the beings who have no clue what their kin is
-To the beings who donât know what labels to use yet
You are all valid and so, so amazing, you all deserve recognition and love. I may not know a lot about some of you but I do love and accept all of you. Keep being yourself darlings and I hope you all have a lovely day/night, love from Archieđ
Can someone educate me on endogenic systems and why they are/arenât harmful because I know nothing lol
i think a lot of alterhuman folks experience territorial instincts in ways that donât always get talked about. especially if your identity includes predatory, wild, or socially protective species, such as canids, felines, dragons, etc. some of us might feel a deep need to claim space. not in a metaphorical way, but like. this is mine. this is my room, my den, my person, my pack. this is my corner of the internet. donât touch it. donât look at it too long. iâll bite.
and itâs not always aggressive, it can be protective, affectionate. we make a space safe for the people we care about. we guard it. we watch.
for some of us itâs instinctual. for some itâs tied up in trauma, being displaced, growing up in unsafe environments, feeling like we never had a space that was truly ours. alterhumanity can make that ache sharper, more specific.
i guard things. food, objects, spaces, people. itâs not symbolic, itâs instinct. itâs like something clicks in my brain and suddenly whatever it is becomes mine. not in a selfish way, but in a protective, possessive, defensive kind of way. like: this is important. this is sacred. this is part of my territory. donât touch it. donât fuck with it. donât even get too close unless youâre trusted.
sometimes itâs my room. sometimes itâs a person i love. sometimes itâs a hoodie iâve worn every day for two weeks. sometimes itâs leftover food in the fridge that my brain has decided iâll starve without. sometimes itâs not even rational, itâs instinctual. animal. primal.
it makes so much sense to me through the lens of psychological therianthropy, the creature in me doesnât separate emotional connection from territorial instinct. if i love you, iâll guard you. if something is mine, itâs not just an object, itâs part of my den. part of my hoard. part of myself.
and itâs also tangled up with my bpd [ suspected ], fear of abandonment, attachment issues, identity instability. my territory gives me shape. it tells me who i am. if someone crosses into it without permission, it doesnât just feel like a boundary violation, it feels like a threat to my existence. it feels like my identity is bleeding. it feels like iâm going to lose something i canât replace.
territoriality can be violent, but it can also be soft. iâll sit by the door while you sleep. iâll remember exactly how you take your tea. iâll patch up your jacket and fold it so it smells like you again. iâll bark at anything that looks at you wrong.
for me, being alterhuman means having instincts i canât always explain, but i feel them in my bones. and territoriality is one of the loudest ones. itâs not always easy to live with, but it makes me who i am.
comfort characters should be normalized. not the whole "oh i love this character, i watch the show just to see them because they bring me comfort!" thing, cuz i think thats already normalized
comfort characters that you can imagine soothing you to sleep should be normalized. imo i lovee imagining my comfort character next to me as i walk to school, or as i fall asleep. i imagine them telling me that everything will be alright.
i think carrying your cc around in your headspace should be normalized. i like it when a character i like comments on things i do in real life. i like talking to them in my head.
PRETENDING YOUR BLORBO IS REAL AND INTERACTING WITH THEM SHOULD BE SOMETHING MORE PEOPLE DO!!! trust me, it is SO FUN!!!!!!
Made for the Alterhuman Minizine Jam by @oceaniccourt. My first time making a minizine. It was tiring but rewarding.
I've noticed that when someone is asking if they might be a therian (this happens more on YouTube, TikTok, etc), and they describe having a connection to an animal, there will sometimes be a reply that goes something like "Oh, you are probably just otherhearted!" Just. It's a small word but it changes the attitude. You're not that animal, you just have a connection to them. It makes it seem like being otherhearted isn't as deep as being nonhuman/semihuman/fictional. When it can be and often times is. For me, the connections I feel to my hearttypes are just as important to me as my kintypes and nonhumanity.
This leads into the bigger issue that I've noticed. Otherhearted beings (seemingly) are often brushed off as less than, when they are still an alterhuman/alterbeing. They are apart of this community just as much as any alterbeing is.
And further more, I've noticed that humans in the alterhuman community are overlooked. Perhaps this is just what I've seen because I spend my time in primarily nonhuman spaces. But there are plenty of humans in this community, and they are just as alterhuman/alterbeing as any of us are.
Being a system practicing projection and/or imposition is so funny because why is there a reshiram standing over me in the kitchen? Why is Tomura Shigaraki standing ominously in the doorway? Why is there a dragon on my bed?
i feel so left out. like everyone around me knows how to be a human and i donât.
'Archetropes aren't alterhuman, that's normal human experience '.
No. It's normal human experience to feel that you fit an archetype or trope. It's normal human experience to have a favourite archetype or trope and gravitate towards characters who display it or even try to display it in yourself or your OCs.
It's not really going to be considered normal if you say you are the embodiment of that archetype or trope, partially or completely. Or if you identify with it in such an intense way that it completely shapes the entirety of your being including possibly your therio/kin/fictotypes.
It's not generally regarded as average to see yourself not exactly as a person but as an archetype of a person, a trope of a person. To the side of being human because you are a concept and apply to humans but you are still basically just a concept with a body. That's alterhuman.
I cna tell im a system because wjhenever i hit my head relaly hard on the wall i hear screaming and noise complaimnts from The people
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The muffled sounds of tails swishing in the open blue, listening to the generational symphonies sung by whales carried in such gentle tunes...
So vast, so terrifying, so beautiful, and so satisfying.
The ocean will always be in me, floating me in it's embrace.
Its been ages before I have had to speak up about someone elses harmful actions since that system hottake blog.
This doesnât make me any less anti endo, nor does it mean that we support endogenic systems, in fact, we personally donât believe that itâs even possible to be endogenic and that most of them are either:
- misguided by those who prey on minors (like sophie),
- have DID but donât remember their trauma,
- are confusing their symptoms for DID when they probably have a different disorder,
- are experiencing something that no one is able to give a proper name to so they make it sound like a CDD when itâs clearly not,
- or are just straight up insane (ahem, like sophie)
You do not, under any circumstances, bully people, even if they have hurt you or you really really hate them to the core. âOh but endos are evil, theyâre ableist scums of the earth and they constantly hurt us and shit-â YOU DONT STOOP TO THEIR LEVEL.
Wanna know why they absolutely despise us? This is why
When you give radical anti endos a platform to speak, a platform to target endos who are most likely just trying to exist, you get people bullying them. You get people who are attacking the other community and harassing them. When you enable radical anti endos a platform to speak, you are hurting both communities
Anti endos have been fighting for ages to get basic respect from the other side and to just be left alone and not have people roleplay or romanticize the disorder, but radicals literally undo all the hard work by giving pro endos a reason to bully and harass back and invalidate all of us because of a select few, which is also exactly how we treat them when we are being attacked by people like sophieinwonderland or other radical pro endos
I could probably guarantee you that the majority of the system community just wants this useless fighting to stop and for all the bullying, harassment, and ableism to stop. I can guarantee you that most people on BOTH sides are not fully one or the other, and that we fall closer to the middle and have nuanced stances on certain topics. We are not robots, we have complex opinions, and syscourse is no exception.
If you donât want the other side to interact with you then block them and set your boundaries. Filter out tags you donât want to see, block people like this person who you know are toxic and hurt people regardless of what their stances are. You are responsible for how you want to interact and contribute to the community. It is your responsibility to be the better person.
And if you see problems within your own community, SPEAK UP ABOUT IT. When you stay silent knowing that you have seen the problems that exist within the community, you are complicit in the bullying and harassment. You are letting radicals dictate the reputation of your community. This goes for both anti and pro endos. Stop staying silent, otherwise nothing will change.
I know this system community can do better. I have seen the good from both sides. We really should stop fighting and actually respect each other and understand that our experiences are different from one another and it doesnât automatically make their experiences invalid just because they donât match yours. Who knows, if we can actually get along we would be a lot more empathetic towards each other and maybe, JUST MAYBE, we could stop the actually ableist fuckers and the bullies who are ruining it for everyone. We could actually work together and take down harmful spaces like r/syscringe and r/fakedisordercringe, these harm BOTH COMMUNITIES and are places that ENABLE BULLYING AND FAKECLAIMING.
Nothing gets done when people stay silent, when people stay divided, and when you ignore the problems in your own community that the opposition has constantly been highlighting on for ages. Learn what makes someone radical in their beliefs, learn the difference between what is actually wrong versus what is just an opinion that conflicts with your own beliefs because those two are NOT the same. Learn to stay away from toxic spaces and warn others of these places, like the K9 Cave server on discord or r/syscringe on reddit. Educate yourself, not just on CDDs and how they actually work but also on endogenic experiences and how they affect people who genuinely believe that they are endogenic. You may not personally believe in them, but if you stay educated on these topics then it benefits both communities and you could actually help someone who may have something misunderstood or is unknowingly spreading misinformation about it. You really canât expect pro endos and endos to do their research about CDDs but then also not listen to their experiences and their ideas on the complexities of plurality. You donât have to agree with it, but if you refuse to even listen to them then its pretty hypocritical to ask them to listen to you.
I donât have to accept their experiences as pure fact or scientifically proven, but I can respect it and be empathetic instead of bullying them and understand that in reality, we donât know everything. I shouldnât have to risk âlooking like a pro endoâ or seem like I am siding with them when I am very much anti endo to get this point across:
Iâm not here to say that âoh endos are validâ or âoh endos are invalidâ that is not my point. My point is that even if you donât share the same views, opinions and experiences with them, you have no right to bully them.
There is a fuckton that we donât know. This world is already against all of us in general. The best we can do is work together and have basic respect for each other. Just, basic respect, you donât even need to interact with the other side, just respect each others boundaries.
Please reblog and share this, both anti and pro endos. And please donât go harassing this person, donât give them a reason to target you. This post is incredibly important for both communities especially since the rise of bullying from BOTH sides has caused extreme turmoil for those who end up getting caught in the crossfire.
Pro tip for what may be a very niche audience of systems with mid level internal communication: if you can only internally communicate when trying to do so and you rarely or never hear surprising, random comments from other headmates that some other systems talk about, that is in fact normal. Internal communication is something that almost always takes time and practice to get better at, so it's not unusual for a system to have difficulty hearing each other and need to actively try to talk to each other to achieve internal communication. Hell, there's a reason that learning internal communication is a part of treatment for systems seeking medical support â because it can be difficult and it's unlikely that you've mastered it right off the bat!
Not hearing your headmates most of the time is okay. Needing to focus on talking to a headmate to internally communicate is okay. If you rarely or never get surprised by someone internally talking to you, that probably just means your internal communication has some barriers, difficulties, or quirks that other systems do not have. That does not mean you're faking; that does not mean you're less of a system. Don't fool yourself otherwise just because you see other systems getting caught off-guard by their headmates talking to them, or overhear each other talking while they're focused on something else, or anything else. They are not you, and your system is going to be different from their system. It's okay if your internal communication is different from other systems.
Tl;dr: Don't trap yourself in self-doubt if your system doesn't have perfect internal communication (including if you have internal communication that's "good enough" for your system but lacks in some areas). Internal communication (and communication skill) varies from system to system, and you don't have to have flawless communication to be a real system.
soulbonding culture is the realization of why there aren't alot of sources around; and being sad about it (Hi! This is a reply to a different anon. Apparently soulbonding is very old and alot of old websites were deleted!)
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soulbounding culture is loving your Soulbounds to life again
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Hey. I'm a singlet and I honestly don't follow syscourse a lot because I am not directly affected by it and my NPD makes me stay away from things that don't affect me but I saw that there were many singlets that had a stance and most of them are anti endo and I am like... Wtf? Sib, you ain't no damn system. It's like if a non lgbtq+ person had an opinion on queer discourse NO. The only thing you should be doing and saying is: I don't know but I think that anyone should be cared for and have rights and shits. That ain't that goddamn hard.
Sorry if I sound a bit aggressive, my tone is meant to be rather neutral. (Quick note because I think it matters, use it or he when talking about me in third person.).
Some people just are looking for groups to hate. It's as simple as that.
I think that there is a more generalized pluralophobia behind it!
That there are some singlets who are only capable of "caring" about systems if they can feel superior. They will accept systems as long as those systems accept that they are inferior to the singlet majority.
Those are the vibes that I get from a lot of singlet sysmeds.
It's a very conditional sort of acceptance casting systems as broken things that need to be fixed.
The moment they encounter a system who says "we didn't have trauma and our lives are perfectly fine and happy because we are together," That's now something that is a threat to established norms. It's a threat to singlet-normatism.
proxy median system host culture Imposter Syndrome Blast 1000. because of the curses (being in the front forever and the others have to talk through you and sometimes it just. fucking feels like roleplaying because it doesnt really feel like anyone else is in front With me but i know theyre Somewhere There). you understand -đ€
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Host culture is wanting to talk about your fictive headmate but theyâre disliked in the fandom (villain). And trying to shield them from that judgment by not talking about them my name
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Ëâșâ§âË -â†Ëââ§âșË
You are a writer/roleplayer whose fictional characters âhave a will of their ownâ or ârefuse to do what theyâre supposed toâ
You experience fictional entities sharing your mind/body in a unique way
You have the sense that fictional characters spontaneously or gradually take up residence in your mind as full people.
You feel like you can âchannelâ fictional characters spirits  the way a medium would channel the spirits of dead people.
You have a fully or partially realized internal space where characters interact in your mind with one another and/or with you
You âjust knowâ things about certain characters even though they were never stated in their source material, whether you are the author or not. (characterâs exact height, favorite ice cream, etc)
Someone in fiction, or in real life, addresses a certain character and a reply just automatically comes out of your mouth.
You get into whole conversations with people âasâ a fictional character without meaning to
You experience periods of being a fictional character/a fictional character inhabiting your body (shifts/fronting)
You pose a question mentally to a character and they answer back.
You âsenseâ the presence of a certain character in your mind mentally/emotionally
You sense that a character has a certain emotion for you/or wants something from/for you
You feel an emotional connection/friendship with a character that feels returned
If any of these sound like experiences youâve had, you might be a soulbonder!
You can find out more about soulbonding here.
do you ever feel like you're faking but in a 'this feels forced'/'these people are too unrealistic' way? e.g, you have a headmate who can speak a different language, but can't translate said language to you when asked? or because your brain is so exhausted from dissociating constantly, headmates personalities start to get weird and fuzzy and they say stuff they'd never do (to me, it feels like they're melting back into a singlet because my brain can't hold their personalities together)?
when the fictive's source is super murderous and dangerous and evil and stuff and the fictive is just