Can Someone Educate Me On Endogenic Systems And Why They Are/aren’t Harmful Because I Know Nothing

Honestly y'all need to chill with the "nonhumaness needs to be involuntary!"

The only reason you're saying that is due to wanting to present 'valid' enough for outsiders. It's not a choice so they won't bully you, like they do furries or other people.

And I hear you cry "but KFF!". KFF aren't nonhuman, they just relate. If someone comes over to me and says "I choose to be nonhuman today, I am nonhuman no matter what other ppl tell me. I genuinely identify as nonhuman." That isn't KFF, that's a nonhuman.

Truly, I'll just go "woah...that's so based". Because truly, what are our differences? We both genuinely identify as nonhuman....and yeah that's about it.

You might say, "they don't experience shifts!" There's nonhumans that don't experience shifts. And there's humans that experience shifts, we call it the "shifter's disease". Basically when a full human researches or is around nonhumans and begins feeling phantoms or feeling nonhuman, despite not being nonhuman. So it isn't exclusive to us.

"They don't have noemata!" There's nonhumans that don't have noemata.

"They don't suffer species dysphoria." Theres nonhumans that don't experience species dysphoria. Also cool transmed rethoric.

"They weren't born with it!" There's nonhumans that become nonhuman later on in life.

"They didn't wish their whole life to be a different species!" And? I can imagine there's some nonhumans that didn't even realize they wanted to be/were a different species.

"It's disrespectful to nonhumans that suffer due to their identity!" Another cool transmed rethoric. It's only disrespectful to you because you're up your own ass and believe that anyone who didn't suffer like you did, that didn't have it as hard as you isn't as valid as yourself. But what you don't realize is by having that belief you are excluding such a large portion of your community.

There's involuntary nonhumans who don't suffer from their identity at all and they're still part of our community.

The line between voluntary and involuntary can get blurry very quickly and hard to describe. But truly, you are no one to say who can use a label that rightfully describes their experiences.

Get real and truly think about why you're so upset at someone having a good faith identity.

REBLOG IF YOU LOVE YOUR HEADMATES!!!!

Sometimes, I wonder...

Sometimes, I wonder if anyone else in my life is plural, but too scared to tell anyone.

Sometimes, I wonder if anyone else in my life is plural, but they just don't have the language to describe it.

Sometimes, I wonder about my friends' "imaginary friends" who've taken on a life all their own.

Sometimes, I wonder about the folks who think in conversations, who have named each and every one of their emotions, each speaking with its own distinct voice.

Sometimes, I wonder about the people who stay up late at night crying, only to be comforted by a familiar voice from within, telling them not to give up.

Sometimes, I wonder about the beings with elaborate and sprawling internal worlds, where a thousand other beings they've known in their daydreams wait to welcome them home.

Sometimes, I wonder about the headmates, forced back to the subconscious, patiently waiting for their host to figure it all out.

Sometimes, I wish I could tell all of them.

Sometimes, I wish they all knew they weren't alone.

Sometimes, I wish they all knew how freeing it can be to embrace plurality.

Sometimes...

Sometimes, I wish they all knew that the future is plural.

I hope the future is plural...

We hope the future is plural.

Shout out to the alterhumans!!!!

-To all the beings with 1 kintype

-To all the beings with loadsssssssssssssss of kin types

-To the beings who don’t feel very connected to their kin or only faintly feel like them

-To all the beings who wholly identify as their kin and very rarely or don’t even at all in any way identify as human

-To all the beings who are transspecies, physical therians/kins, have clinical zooanthropy/lycanthropy or experience creature-like delusions

-To the therians with common theriotypes

-To the therians with extremely rare/not well known, extinct or nonexistent theriotypes

-To the fictionkins who don’t really act like their kin’s a lot

-To the non-therians who regularly get mistaken as therians

-To the therians who don’t do quads or wear masks

-To the other/animalhearts, otherlinks/kins, copinglinks and otherpaw

-To the clado, omni, ambi and cambi-therians

-To the conceptkins, plantkins, objectkins, songkins, placekins and others

-To the beings with extreme species dysphoria

-To the beings with no dysphoria

-To the beings who don’t have a safe space to express their alterhumanity

-To the grey-muzzles and to the newly awakened

-To the beings who do or don’t wear gear

-To the beings who have no clue what their kin is

-To the beings who don’t know what labels to use yet

You are all valid and so, so amazing, you all deserve recognition and love. I may not know a lot about some of you but I do love and accept all of you. Keep being yourself darlings and I hope you all have a lovely day/night, love from Archie💗

Its like, people can ask me "why do you like this flat, two-dimensional, obnoxious fictional character and read into them a complex and nuanced inner life, and not this other flat, two dimensional, obnoxious fictional character?"

But all I can respond is that one of them I know personally and understand as a fellow being with a rich inner life and many positive qualities, and the other is just a flat, two dimensional, obnoxious fictional character to me. 🤷

I love you spiritual systems that are also psychological

I love you walk-ins of any kind

I love you soulbonds and charabonds that get upset how they're displayed and treated by their source (ot waste writing term you use) fandom

I love you spiribonds (+ other walk-ins) who struggle to take care of a human body

I love you intrabonds

I love you exobonds

I love you walk-ins who have relationships with non-spirutual headmates

I love you walk-ins who get told your relationships aren't real because you're with a non-spiritual headmate (more directed to our system's walk-ins, but this goes for any out there)

I love you mixed origin systems with spiritual headmates

I love you mixed origins who have been told "you're either a spiritual system or you're not/you can't be both" (or have had thoughts of someone saying these things)

I love you systems/headmates that have spiritual practices and those who don't

I love you walk-ins who wish to see more people like you and get upset when you don't

I love you bondsystems

I love you cosmagenics

I love you gateway systems

I love you metaphysical systems

I love you psychgenic systems

I love you soulbased systems

I love you seelegenic systems

I love you all

Pro tip for what may be a very niche audience of systems with mid level internal communication: if you can only internally communicate when trying to do so and you rarely or never hear surprising, random comments from other headmates that some other systems talk about, that is in fact normal. Internal communication is something that almost always takes time and practice to get better at, so it's not unusual for a system to have difficulty hearing each other and need to actively try to talk to each other to achieve internal communication. Hell, there's a reason that learning internal communication is a part of treatment for systems seeking medical support – because it can be difficult and it's unlikely that you've mastered it right off the bat!

Not hearing your headmates most of the time is okay. Needing to focus on talking to a headmate to internally communicate is okay. If you rarely or never get surprised by someone internally talking to you, that probably just means your internal communication has some barriers, difficulties, or quirks that other systems do not have. That does not mean you're faking; that does not mean you're less of a system. Don't fool yourself otherwise just because you see other systems getting caught off-guard by their headmates talking to them, or overhear each other talking while they're focused on something else, or anything else. They are not you, and your system is going to be different from their system. It's okay if your internal communication is different from other systems.

Tl;dr: Don't trap yourself in self-doubt if your system doesn't have perfect internal communication (including if you have internal communication that's "good enough" for your system but lacks in some areas). Internal communication (and communication skill) varies from system to system, and you don't have to have flawless communication to be a real system.

Syscourse Speedrun

- Endogenic means a system formed for reasons not correlated to trauma

- Endogenic does NOT mean a complete lack of trauma in an individual

- Endogenics, Pro-Endos and adjacent fundamentally view systemhood differently and outside of solely disordered experiences

That said...

- Complex Dissociative Disorders (DID/OSDD/Etc) have well known and studied ties to trauma, with complexity rising from prolonged and severe cases.

- Trauma is not part of diagnostic criteria to include those who cannot remember their trauma due to dissociation. Not because it isn't an important or known factor.

- Integration =/= Fusion, Integration is the lessening of dissociative barriers and a systems ability to function together. Fusion is the merging of parts.

- Final fusion and functional multiplicity are both viable end goals and up to the systems desires and needs. Integration is required for both of these.

- People are allowed to be affected positively AND negatively by their disorders and life experiences.

- People are also allowed to view their disorders in whatever way they desire

- It is not your job to police people because you think what they're doing is harmful for them.

- It is also not your job to tell people they have trauma that they just don't know about.

- Dissociation is a spectrum.

- Other disorders experience dissociative parts with less elaboration like those with DID/OSDD/Etc

- Westernized Tulpamancy and Tulpas as known today are not directly related to Tibetan Buddist Nirmanakaya or Sprul-pa. Westernized Tulpamancy comes from 20th century mystic explorers, who developed these ideas mostly independently.

- Vajrayana and Mahayana Buddhism are open and inclusive religions anyway, but what Tulpamancers practice is very different.

- There is a conversation to be had about the suppression of religious freedom that has affected Tibetan Buddhism, but it's still not a closed practice.

- Something here about Theosophy in relation to Westernized Tulpamancy

- Plural is not solely synonymous with system, and not everyone who identifies as plural is a system.

- Not every system will identify as plural either.

- The term plural has ties to other non-system communities such as alterhumanity.

- Plural is an inherently inclusive term.

- People are allowed to be wrong about their origins in whatever potential way.

- Being wrong is not equivalent to faking.

- Origins are self applied labels and tell you very little about a person and their system

- Origins can and often do overlap.

- Endogenic origins does not mean a system cannot be diagnosed and meet criteria for a CDD.

- People are allowed to view and label their parts in whatever way is best for them.

- System accountability is important. You are one tangible entity and you take responsibility for the things that occur because of your system.

- Discourse stances do not make a person or space inherently safer or more dangerous.

- People's actions speak louder than labels, and anyone can be a horrible person.

- Its up to a system to determine their own boundaries and needs.

- You don't need to argue if your boundaries differ from someone else's; enforce your own.

- Block people and topics that make you uncomfortable and especially if they're potentially triggering.

- Genuinely, please just learn to be friends with the block button.

- Harassment is bad no matter who you are.

- Yes it's still bad if you disagree with someone or think they're in the wrong.

- Criticism is not harassment.

- Even if you don't intent to change your mind, facilitating genuine conversation with people instead of assuming things about them or their experiences will contribute to a better interaction for both sides.

- Ableism is bad.

- Stop using things like delusional as Insults or treating people with ficticious disorder poorly.

- Stop treating mentally ill adults as inherently incapable of functioning or dictating things for themselves.

- Sanism is Also bad.

- Fake claiming is bad.

- Stop insinuating that pro-endos (and adjacent) aren't traumatized, aren't systems or can't have CDDs.

- Yes, again, fake claiming is bad even if you don't like or disagree with someone.

- Stop saying its "so easy" to tell who fakers are.

- The psychiatric and mental health systems are full of flaws.

- Diagnosis is a privilege for some and isn't for others.

- Some people may not want or desire a diagnosis for many reasons. This does not make their problems any less than.

- Being medically recognized is just as valid as having a diagnosis.

- Yes, therapists can diagnose people with things. A title does not equal credentials.

- If a therapist cannot diagnose you due to their credentials or other factors but suspects something, they will refer you to another professional who can for evaluation.

- Some therapists will choose of their own volition not to diagnose patients for varying reasons.

- Self diagnosis and self suspecting isn't a bad thing. Research is always encouraged for accuracy of what you suspect.

- The resources people find through self diagnosis even if not the right thing to suspect can be helpful for someone's situation.

- Reiterating here again that being wrong isn't faking, and that being wrong isn't a bad thing.

- Being able to help yourself cope is a good thing.

- Recognizing your symptoms if you intend to speak to a professional is also a good thing.

People are all different, be kind.

If you have questions I'm glad to talk, if you are aggressive or just trying to start something, you will be blocked :)

here's your daily reminder that no-one is entitled to any information about you, your system, or your system members; nor do you have to use any terms you don't want to no matter how popular they are ^-^

Kinda nonhuman because mental illness, kinda nonhuman because not being properly socialized as a kid, kinda nonhuman because queer, kinda nonhuman because angry at humanity, kinda nonhuman because longing for the unconditional love of a pet and it’s master, and kinda nonhuman because secret sixth thing.