Territorial Insticts + Alterhumanity

Host culture is wanting to talk about your fictive headmate but they’re disliked in the fandom (villain). And trying to shield them from that judgment by not talking about them my name

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Hey. I'm a singlet and I honestly don't follow syscourse a lot because I am not directly affected by it and my NPD makes me stay away from things that don't affect me but I saw that there were many singlets that had a stance and most of them are anti endo and I am like... Wtf? Sib, you ain't no damn system. It's like if a non lgbtq+ person had an opinion on queer discourse NO. The only thing you should be doing and saying is: I don't know but I think that anyone should be cared for and have rights and shits. That ain't that goddamn hard.

Sorry if I sound a bit aggressive, my tone is meant to be rather neutral. (Quick note because I think it matters, use it or he when talking about me in third person.).

Some people just are looking for groups to hate. It's as simple as that.

I think that there is a more generalized pluralophobia behind it!

That there are some singlets who are only capable of "caring" about systems if they can feel superior. They will accept systems as long as those systems accept that they are inferior to the singlet majority.

Those are the vibes that I get from a lot of singlet sysmeds.

It's a very conditional sort of acceptance casting systems as broken things that need to be fixed.

The moment they encounter a system who says "we didn't have trauma and our lives are perfectly fine and happy because we are together," That's now something that is a threat to established norms. It's a threat to singlet-normatism.

collection of plural resources:

beginning:

What is plurality? (link)

Am I plural? (link)

New/Questioning system (link)

Plurality hub (link)

Plurality resource (link)

guides:

Multiplicity links (link)

Healthymultiplicity (link)

DIS-SOS (link)

First person plural (link)

The plurality playbook (link)

Multiplicity database systemology (link)

New alter (link)

Unblur (link)

specifics:

System sources (link)

Resources for faceclaims (link)

System communication and journaling (link)

System internet safety (link)

Powertotheplurals (link)

System Comfort's plural resources (link)

Plurality resources (link)

Discussing dissociation (link)

Exploration into endogenic & non-disordered plurality (link)

Endogenic systems (link)

Endogenic systems new carrd (link)

Endogenic hub (link)

Tulpas and mental health (link)

The tulpamancy guide I wish I had (link)

Tulpanomicon (link)

Tulpia.io (link)

The chimera's library (link)

information:

The plural dictionary (link)

Plural terms (link)

Quick'n'dirty plural history (link)

Pluralpedia (link)

Multiplicity and plurality wiki (link)

Kinhost.org (link)

Tulpa.info (link)

Soulbonding info (link)

Soulbonding links (link)

services:

Simply Plural - alter logging & chatting (app & site)

Anytype - journaling (app)

Twinote - chatting (app)

Ifake - chatting (app)

Antar - chatting (app)

Fortelling - system logging (app)

Notion - system logging, journaling, chatting (app & site)

Pronouns.cc - system logging (site)

Lighthouse - system logging & journaling (site)

Pluralkit - social bot (discord)

Tupperbox - social bot (discord)

Firefox Multiacc Extension - multiaccounts (extension)

Feedbro - multiaccounts (extension)

feel free to reblog with more resources, will update as new resources are found! last updated: Dec. 16, 2024

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Can someone educate me on endogenic systems and why they are/aren’t harmful because I know nothing lol

you there. person posting a "list of alterhuman terms" post in the community tags. name and define five alterhuman identities that ARE NOT nonhumanity or fictionkinity. if you try to use voluntary nonhumanity as one of these the dragon gets to eat you. you have five minutes.

Syscourse Speedrun

- Endogenic means a system formed for reasons not correlated to trauma

- Endogenic does NOT mean a complete lack of trauma in an individual

- Endogenics, Pro-Endos and adjacent fundamentally view systemhood differently and outside of solely disordered experiences

That said...

- Complex Dissociative Disorders (DID/OSDD/Etc) have well known and studied ties to trauma, with complexity rising from prolonged and severe cases.

- Trauma is not part of diagnostic criteria to include those who cannot remember their trauma due to dissociation. Not because it isn't an important or known factor.

- Integration =/= Fusion, Integration is the lessening of dissociative barriers and a systems ability to function together. Fusion is the merging of parts.

- Final fusion and functional multiplicity are both viable end goals and up to the systems desires and needs. Integration is required for both of these.

- People are allowed to be affected positively AND negatively by their disorders and life experiences.

- People are also allowed to view their disorders in whatever way they desire

- It is not your job to police people because you think what they're doing is harmful for them.

- It is also not your job to tell people they have trauma that they just don't know about.

- Dissociation is a spectrum.

- Other disorders experience dissociative parts with less elaboration like those with DID/OSDD/Etc

- Westernized Tulpamancy and Tulpas as known today are not directly related to Tibetan Buddist Nirmanakaya or Sprul-pa. Westernized Tulpamancy comes from 20th century mystic explorers, who developed these ideas mostly independently.

- Vajrayana and Mahayana Buddhism are open and inclusive religions anyway, but what Tulpamancers practice is very different.

- There is a conversation to be had about the suppression of religious freedom that has affected Tibetan Buddhism, but it's still not a closed practice.

- Something here about Theosophy in relation to Westernized Tulpamancy

- Plural is not solely synonymous with system, and not everyone who identifies as plural is a system.

- Not every system will identify as plural either.

- The term plural has ties to other non-system communities such as alterhumanity.

- Plural is an inherently inclusive term.

- People are allowed to be wrong about their origins in whatever potential way.

- Being wrong is not equivalent to faking.

- Origins are self applied labels and tell you very little about a person and their system

- Origins can and often do overlap.

- Endogenic origins does not mean a system cannot be diagnosed and meet criteria for a CDD.

- People are allowed to view and label their parts in whatever way is best for them.

- System accountability is important. You are one tangible entity and you take responsibility for the things that occur because of your system.

- Discourse stances do not make a person or space inherently safer or more dangerous.

- People's actions speak louder than labels, and anyone can be a horrible person.

- Its up to a system to determine their own boundaries and needs.

- You don't need to argue if your boundaries differ from someone else's; enforce your own.

- Block people and topics that make you uncomfortable and especially if they're potentially triggering.

- Genuinely, please just learn to be friends with the block button.

- Harassment is bad no matter who you are.

- Yes it's still bad if you disagree with someone or think they're in the wrong.

- Criticism is not harassment.

- Even if you don't intent to change your mind, facilitating genuine conversation with people instead of assuming things about them or their experiences will contribute to a better interaction for both sides.

- Ableism is bad.

- Stop using things like delusional as Insults or treating people with ficticious disorder poorly.

- Stop treating mentally ill adults as inherently incapable of functioning or dictating things for themselves.

- Sanism is Also bad.

- Fake claiming is bad.

- Stop insinuating that pro-endos (and adjacent) aren't traumatized, aren't systems or can't have CDDs.

- Yes, again, fake claiming is bad even if you don't like or disagree with someone.

- Stop saying its "so easy" to tell who fakers are.

- The psychiatric and mental health systems are full of flaws.

- Diagnosis is a privilege for some and isn't for others.

- Some people may not want or desire a diagnosis for many reasons. This does not make their problems any less than.

- Being medically recognized is just as valid as having a diagnosis.

- Yes, therapists can diagnose people with things. A title does not equal credentials.

- If a therapist cannot diagnose you due to their credentials or other factors but suspects something, they will refer you to another professional who can for evaluation.

- Some therapists will choose of their own volition not to diagnose patients for varying reasons.

- Self diagnosis and self suspecting isn't a bad thing. Research is always encouraged for accuracy of what you suspect.

- The resources people find through self diagnosis even if not the right thing to suspect can be helpful for someone's situation.

- Reiterating here again that being wrong isn't faking, and that being wrong isn't a bad thing.

- Being able to help yourself cope is a good thing.

- Recognizing your symptoms if you intend to speak to a professional is also a good thing.

People are all different, be kind.

If you have questions I'm glad to talk, if you are aggressive or just trying to start something, you will be blocked :)

Its been ages before I have had to speak up about someone elses harmful actions since that system hottake blog.

But I am actually done just sitting around doing nothing when anti endos like this person are encouraging bullying towards endogenic systems

This doesn’t make me any less anti endo, nor does it mean that we support endogenic systems, in fact, we personally don’t believe that it’s even possible to be endogenic and that most of them are either:

- misguided by those who prey on minors (like sophie),

- have DID but don’t remember their trauma,

- are confusing their symptoms for DID when they probably have a different disorder,

- are experiencing something that no one is able to give a proper name to so they make it sound like a CDD when it’s clearly not,

- or are just straight up insane (ahem, like sophie)

You do not, under any circumstances, bully people, even if they have hurt you or you really really hate them to the core. “Oh but endos are evil, they’re ableist scums of the earth and they constantly hurt us and shit-” YOU DONT STOOP TO THEIR LEVEL.

Wanna know why they absolutely despise us? This is why

When you give radical anti endos a platform to speak, a platform to target endos who are most likely just trying to exist, you get people bullying them. You get people who are attacking the other community and harassing them. When you enable radical anti endos a platform to speak, you are hurting both communities

Anti endos have been fighting for ages to get basic respect from the other side and to just be left alone and not have people roleplay or romanticize the disorder, but radicals literally undo all the hard work by giving pro endos a reason to bully and harass back and invalidate all of us because of a select few, which is also exactly how we treat them when we are being attacked by people like sophieinwonderland or other radical pro endos

I could probably guarantee you that the majority of the system community just wants this useless fighting to stop and for all the bullying, harassment, and ableism to stop. I can guarantee you that most people on BOTH sides are not fully one or the other, and that we fall closer to the middle and have nuanced stances on certain topics. We are not robots, we have complex opinions, and syscourse is no exception.

If you don’t want the other side to interact with you then block them and set your boundaries. Filter out tags you don’t want to see, block people like this person who you know are toxic and hurt people regardless of what their stances are. You are responsible for how you want to interact and contribute to the community. It is your responsibility to be the better person.

And if you see problems within your own community, SPEAK UP ABOUT IT. When you stay silent knowing that you have seen the problems that exist within the community, you are complicit in the bullying and harassment. You are letting radicals dictate the reputation of your community. This goes for both anti and pro endos. Stop staying silent, otherwise nothing will change.

I know this system community can do better. I have seen the good from both sides. We really should stop fighting and actually respect each other and understand that our experiences are different from one another and it doesn’t automatically make their experiences invalid just because they don’t match yours. Who knows, if we can actually get along we would be a lot more empathetic towards each other and maybe, JUST MAYBE, we could stop the actually ableist fuckers and the bullies who are ruining it for everyone. We could actually work together and take down harmful spaces like r/syscringe and r/fakedisordercringe, these harm BOTH COMMUNITIES and are places that ENABLE BULLYING AND FAKECLAIMING.

Nothing gets done when people stay silent, when people stay divided, and when you ignore the problems in your own community that the opposition has constantly been highlighting on for ages. Learn what makes someone radical in their beliefs, learn the difference between what is actually wrong versus what is just an opinion that conflicts with your own beliefs because those two are NOT the same. Learn to stay away from toxic spaces and warn others of these places, like the K9 Cave server on discord or r/syscringe on reddit. Educate yourself, not just on CDDs and how they actually work but also on endogenic experiences and how they affect people who genuinely believe that they are endogenic. You may not personally believe in them, but if you stay educated on these topics then it benefits both communities and you could actually help someone who may have something misunderstood or is unknowingly spreading misinformation about it. You really can’t expect pro endos and endos to do their research about CDDs but then also not listen to their experiences and their ideas on the complexities of plurality. You don’t have to agree with it, but if you refuse to even listen to them then its pretty hypocritical to ask them to listen to you.

I don’t have to accept their experiences as pure fact or scientifically proven, but I can respect it and be empathetic instead of bullying them and understand that in reality, we don’t know everything. I shouldn’t have to risk “looking like a pro endo” or seem like I am siding with them when I am very much anti endo to get this point across:

That bullying someone for having completely different opinions, views, and experiences is wrong, and you cannot justify it.

I’m not here to say that “oh endos are valid” or “oh endos are invalid” that is not my point. My point is that even if you don’t share the same views, opinions and experiences with them, you have no right to bully them.

There is a fuckton that we don’t know. This world is already against all of us in general. The best we can do is work together and have basic respect for each other. Just, basic respect, you don’t even need to interact with the other side, just respect each others boundaries.

Please reblog and share this, both anti and pro endos. And please don’t go harassing this person, don’t give them a reason to target you. This post is incredibly important for both communities especially since the rise of bullying from BOTH sides has caused extreme turmoil for those who end up getting caught in the crossfire.

Otherhearted culture is like they're you but a little to the left. In a different color palette, in a different life. Parallel lines, running close but never touching.

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