Cynthia's Take On John & Paul: Fact Or Fiction?

cynthia's take on john & paul: fact or fiction?

"John never looked at anyone the way he looked at Paul."

-cynthia lennon

this quote gets passed around a lot. a Lot a lot. it's in compilations, it's on twitter, it's in youtube comments...

did cynthia really say john never looked at anyone like he looked at paul?

from everything i can find?

Cynthia's Take On John & Paul: Fact Or Fiction?

this one comes in from an anon! and a few people talking about this quote when i brought up the idea of making this blog/brought up the amount of unsourced things in this fandom

Cynthia's Take On John & Paul: Fact Or Fiction?

well, anon, i found the origin of the quote- at least this iteration of it. i came to a bit of a dead end that i'm not sure is a dead end, but i'll share what i found!

disclaimer: these all come from tumblr posts around 2014. this is old enough that i'm willing to link & name the users involved but if you know them or are them & would like any urls/names taken down, let me know! for now, it's staying up for the sake of answering the question "where it originated from"

so the original post that this all seems to circulate from comes from a tumblr post on january of 2014 (source)

Cynthia's Take On John & Paul: Fact Or Fiction?

the rest of the post is mostly speculation from the op about john being bisexual with some other quotes in there (some real, some i'm unsure on as i've never deep dived on them)

a few months later, they were asked about the source of the quote bc people were evidently already coming up blank

Cynthia's Take On John & Paul: Fact Or Fiction?

buffysommers-blog: That quote you site from Cynthia Lennon, "John never looked at anyone the way he looked at Paul." Where is that quote from? I've seen that quote repeated often but I've never once seen a source for the quote (was it from one of Cyn's books? an interview? with which publication) so I'm not yet convinced she actually said that. theforgottenmadcap: Hi, if I remember rightly I read it on here, I think it may be from an interview with her, as I've got both John and A Twist of Lennon and don't remember it from either of those.

(source)

however, this is where i ran into a road block. given that the op thinks it might be from an interview, i spent a good few hours listening to rare cynthia lennon interviews that haven't been transcribed on double speed. nothing there (although there were some pretty interesting quotes in them- including her calling them twins lol). and this exact wording isn't found in any of her interviews that Have been transcribed, as far as i can tell.

so there's a few options here. 1) this is completely made up & this answer was just a handwavey copout (not the answer i'd like to believe & not one i think is most likely honestly bc generally i don't think people have bad intentions) 2) they did indeed see it somewhere else on tumblr & that blog is the true origin of this quote for whatever reasons. i just can't find anything older or 3) it is in fact from a cynthia interview, just not worded exactly like this since it seems theforgottenmadcap wasn't directly copy-pasting and was just quoting a quote they saw around from memory.

if anyone winds up finding anything older or a cynthia interview with some similar statement, do let me know! or something older with similar wording.

but for now, putting this on the "fake" shelf

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5 months ago

Can you recommended fanfics with Dom Paul please?

Okay, here are some of my own: 

Understanding 

Father’s Day (daddy-kink)

Control (drabble)

Who’s Your Daddy, Johnny Boy (daddy-kink)

Rough, Biting, Scratch (not the whole sex-scene, sorry) 

Shy (not kinky, just top-Paul. It’s actually really sweet and fluffy, but it’s still top!Paul so…)

Over the Desk (again, not the whole sex-scene…)

Naked/Dressed (not very dom/sub, but still top!Paul)

Clothed Getting Off (not that dom/sub, but it’s close)

Here are some more that have Dom Paul, but it’s McHarrison: 

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Sore Wrists 

Also one Paul/Ringo fic:

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Here are some other McLennon fics with Dom Paul that aren’t mine:

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Discipline 

That’s all I know of. There aren’t that many Top!Paul fics, and even less with Dom Paul. At least you’ve got a couple now. If anyone else knows of one, let me know! <3

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okay but can we PLEASE talk about the absolute LIES some of you spread about john lennon’s looks?? “ugly”?? “not handsome”?? are we LOOKING at the same man??

because let’s dissect this crime against humanity:

- that face is LITERALLY a medieval portrait come to life—aristocratic oval, sharp yet delicate, like someone carved him out of history itself

- the EYES. THE EYES. hypnotic almond shape, long straight lashes, the kind of gaze that could either seduce you or dissect your soul

- THE NOSE!!! (we don’t even need to elaborate. it’s a sculpture.)

- and his aura?? PURE SUNLIT CHAOS. a smiley, wild-haired ginger cat with the energy of a flaming comet. fire incarnate.

He had this magnetic pull that attracted everyone

this man was art in human form. if you disagree, i respect your right to be objectively wrong (and also fear for your vision).

...and yes, you could just fall asleep in those straight, bushy eyebrows of his...


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!

My question is, when people have a least favourite beatle, let's say John, because we all know he's not favored in the Beatles fandom, how do you lot avoid them? When you watch interviews or music videos of the Beatles, do you just avoid him as best as you can? Like do you skip parts of the video that you'll know he'll appear in?

I'm just glad that I don't really have a least favourite Beatle, makes my Beatles experience more enjoyable, for me

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My thoughts on why I think Paul had a preference for men - 

As I discussed in an earlier post, as a young teen Paul found himself attracted to musical theater, which had a very strong gay element attached to it. As he put it, “I used to hang around stage doors, I was a bit of a Stage-Door Johnny. I was so fascinated by all of that stuff. I loved it. I just wanted to be near it. I hung around the stage doors, got to meet the Crew Cuts. I sort of wanted it, wanted it bad.”

He can remember every minute detail from the first time he met John, from the smell of his beery breath, to the feel of John putting his arms around his shoulders. Immediately after meeting this boy, Paul already started planning a life-long partnership with him, figured out how to combine their names, and was doodling pictures of him in his school workbook. This to me is the behavior of a boy who has already come to terms with his attraction to boys, not someone who’s confused, in denial, or unaware of his feelings.

Two of his earliest songs have themes of a forbidden, risky love. At fourteen, he described love as “suicide” and at 15 he’s promising someone he just met that he’ll love them “in spite of all the danger.” 

When he started dating girls, he would pick out all of their outfits and would instruct them on how to style their hair. Yes, this could be interpreted as Paul just wanting his girlfriend to look like Brigitte Bardot, but to me it sounds a lot like something a stereotypical “gay best friend” would do.

He and John went to The Dart, a gay club, together. This, to me, diminishes the common belief around here that Paul thought of himself as “only gay for John” and not actually queer. The fact that he regularly hung out at a gay club implies that Paul felt that he was no different than all of the other gay men there.

Then when the Beatles went to Hamburg, Tony Barrow remembers how he thought Paul was gay “for months.” If Paul was truly sleeping with as many girls in Hamburg as he claimed, why did it take Tony so long to find out that he wasn’t gay?

The fact that Paul was known to use his “bedroom eyes” and “sex appeal” to get what he wanted from Brian implies that this isn’t Paul’s first time flirting with a man in my opinion.

If you trust Simon Napier-Bell’s account, Brian revealed to him that the Beatles had “other boyfriends,” implying someone not within the band. So this could suggest that Paul was casually dating men other than John during his time in the Beatles.

Mid-sixties, Paul once again deliberately placed himself in the artsy gay crowd of London. I find it interesting to say the least that Paul, age fourteen on, has taken every opportunity possible to surround himself with a group of other gay men. First it was the theater, then beatniks, now Swinging London. 

When John dumped Paul in the summer of 1968, Paul seemed to genuinely be contemplating living the rest of his life as a gay man. When he briefly dated Francie Schwartz, he was said to be going off to gay clubs in the middle of the night. In Francie’s book “Body Count,” she recounts a conversation with Billy Lancaster where he asked her, “Really, what’s Paul like?  I heard he was gay.” to which Francie replied, “He might have gone that way but he didn’t.  He didn’t really dig fucking all that much if that’s any kind of an answer.“

And the emotional intensity of Paul’s breakup with John in itself speaks volumes about how Paul values his relationships with men significantly more than the ones he had with women.

Or in a 1970s Tom Snyder interview, Paul was talking about his days as a Beatles, being able to have any one he wanted. He said, “When you’re that age, that’s the thing to do. You’re looking for girls or whatever turns you on.” When Tom asked what the alternative to girls would be, Paul told him “Boys.”

And none of this even touches all of the crazy suggestive quotes and things regarding him and John’s relationship, like when Paul literally said that he and John were one of the first men to come out openly when homosexuality was still illegal (!!!)

I don’t know…there’s probably a lot more I’m forgetting right now but you get the point 

(also this is all purely speculation so please don’t try to come for me)

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