Whats Up With The Viktor And Milk Thing? I'm Trying To Find The Origin But Can't

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This perfect one broke my heart Love him sooo much т.т

I hope now after Harry has once again confirmed that Viktor is soft-spoken and his anger is quiet anger that the fandom will stop writing him as aggressive, cold, rude, and angry in the form of cruelty or outbursts. it's literally so opposite his character I don't see how this portrayal of him persists so frequently. Canonically, when he's angry, we see him speak in low, controlled tones, or with words that are more sharp and hissed than his usual timbre but at the same quiet volume. The only times he raises his voice in the show are when he's alone, screaming from pain, fear, or emotional release. He never yells at anyone, that's why those rare moments where he does raise his voice hit so powerfully. He curls in on himself and makes himself smaller when upset and vulnerable, he doesn't lash out or intimidate others. He cries, he whimpers, he doesn't shout. He hyperventilates and throws up from nerves. Like how does so much of the fandom overlook this and somehow turn him into some sarcastic, aloof 'broody dark-haired boy' stereotype that hits people with his cane and insults Jayce. Please go back and rewatch the source material.

About that Jayce & Viktor bridge scene in Arcane…

…and how they used camera angles to showcase feelings/relations between those two.

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the thing about jayce is that the same thing that makes him so annoying in season 1 also makes him so endearing in season 2. and it all comes down to his sense of loyalty. he spends a lot of time in the first season struggling with being a people pleaser and a great example of this is the aftermath of his progress day speech. heimerdinger insists that the hextech inventions need more work so he holds off on revealing them to the public, disappointing both viktor and mel. he's constantly being pulled thin by conflicting loyalties. he wants to appease the council so he rubs elbows with them and allows their illegal imports despite just raising security in the hexgates. he wants to keep the people of piltover safe so he puts up the barricade at the bridge even when that worsens the city's relationship with zaun. and when vi storms in and tells him that the best way to hurt silco is to destroy his shimmer factory he goes in swinging

but in season 2 after he quits the council jayce isn't obligated to please them and the people of piltover anymore and has some freedom to choose what he really wants. and it turns out that at his very core his loyalty is to viktor. jayce says it himself, he believes now that his place is in the lab with him, not on the council. that same devotion that led to him going astray in the first season is also what leads him to revive viktor with the hexcore. jayce just can't stand inaction. if he thinks he's found a solution he'll reach for it every time and when it comes to his place on the council that means acting against silco and intentionally or not escalating the zaun-piltover conflict. but when it comes to viktor that means doing whatever he can to save him even to the bitter end. and that makes him a much more sympathetic character because while those choices aren't necessarily morally better than the ones he made in season 1 they're also primarily motivated by his love for viktor

ok so just so you know, here are a few things that jayce did immediately upon having his journal returned to him:

make a reminder to ask viktor for his surname (also this ties to viktor being potentially related to some other major lore character)

draw viktor

quote viktor (multiple times)

mention viktor in every single one of his experiment annotations, including detailed description of what viktor did to help him

write down viktor’s opinion on almost everything concerning their experiments (which are apparently the most important part of jayce’s life, he values hextech even more than his position at the academy)

im just gonna leave all of it here without further comment, lmfao

jayce and viktor league of legends biography comparison

done by yours truly in like june this year way before arcane was released posted almost verbatim from a thread i did because i don’t want to look at it again enjoy

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Excerpts from Zak-Site

Chris of zak-site (http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/index.html) has basically written a whole dissertation on the early years of the Fantastic Four which is worth reading.

However for our purposes I will just be quoting his entries about Reed’s autism:

Issue 182: Reed’s autism - the evidence

[Image depicts two comic panels, on the left Sue Richards is crying and says “ Franklin– He’s been kidnapped!” On the right, the text box says “Reed Richards struggles to find the right words. What would his counterpart say? How would Susan Richard’s real husband react? So many questions, and by the time the answers are formulated– the game is up!” We see Reed facing away from Sue with a scowl, Sue looks at him with a similar expression and says “now I know you!”]

This issue gives perhaps more evidence that Reed may be autistic. Maybe it’s time to summarize the case:

Reed is highly intelligent, but only when he focuses on a narrow area. In other areas he seems less intelligent than his peers (see later examples)

In FF182 we see that he has difficulty with neuro-typical emotional responses. The parallel world Reed provides a useful experimental control for comparison with “our” Reed. As a parallel world Reed, we should assume he’s the same in every way unless stated. Notice what happens here: Sue tells him that Franklin has been kidnapped, and this Reed struggles to find the right thing to say. This is classic autistic behavior. Note that a small delay is normal: we should expect a second or so of shock. After that, any fake actor would know what to say. It’s not difficult to come up with a look of shock. But for this fake Reed it’s very difficult. He stands here struggling to think of the appropriate response. The Real Reed of course has had years of experience in Franklin getting hurt, so he would know what to say. This is why it’s so difficult to diagnose adults with autism: adults learn the right thing to say, even if they find it difficult. But this adult does not have a son, so he never learned, so it’s really hard for him to fake the emotion.

Reed is obsessively narrowly focused. He will happily spend days in his lab and even forget to eat. This goes beyond a normal obsession or interest.

Reed lacks social awareness. He does not see how his put downs affect the others emotionally. He genuinely cares for Ben, and cannot see how his criticisms (especially in acts 1 and 2) have driven Ben to depression. He loves Sue, and cannot see how his actions almost led to divorce. he cares for Johnny, but cannot see how Johnny feels so trapped.

Reed prefers solitude, and if he has to deal with others he wants to make all the decisions: his world seems to be filled with himself. (The word “autism” comes from the same root as “automatic” and comes from the prefix “auto” meaning “alone”.)

He avoids eye contact. We often see him, as in the sequence above, looking way from the person he’s talking to. FF51 is another classic example, when Sue stumbles on his secret work and he says “how did you find out?” without looking at her. In FF271 it’s a big deal that he can’t remember his mother’s eyes. Possibly she was he only person he would look in the eye. Of course, adults eventually learn what’s appropriate, so he will look into eyes when he remembers to, but it doesn’t come naturally.

He gets angry and frustrated or depressed when things don’t go his way. FF9 is a good example of this. This leads to his need to be in control. In FF184 he’s depressed that he cannot stretch, even though as Sue points out that is not his main power so rationally it doesn’t matter.

His speech patterns show he isn’t really aware of how he comes across; he’s very verbose even though others ask him not to be.

He takes things very literally. This is most clearly seen in John Byrne’s run where Reed is at his most socially withdrawn.

He is more paranoid than the others, seeing danger everywhere. Johnny has more fun, Ben is more relaxed about beating foes, and Sue likes to sometimes leave a danger alone (e.g. the first time they saw the creature from the black lagoon) but Reed is constantly on edge.

He doesn’t like to change routine, though his lifestyle forces him to. Franklin would interfere with his routine some he likes to send the boy away to Agatha Harkness, and won’t change that routine even when it’s obvious that Agatha’s house is not safe. Reed is also the only one who has never deliberately changed his uniform. Sue has tried skirts, Ben occasionally has an all over suit and even a helmet, and Johnny tried a red suit for a while, but Reed is happy with the same uniform every single time.

he seems to hate social complexity: how else do we explain why he did so well in FF181 in the negative zone? He was superb! Such a simple situation, just Reed on a rock against Annihilus. No powers, no other people, no stress. This shows that losing his powers is not the cause of his stress: it’s the fact that losing his powers makes his life complicated that he can’t cope with.

And so on and so on. None of this is proof of course, but the circumstantial evidence is very high.

Issue 200:

[Image description: Three panels depicting a struggle between Dr.Doom and Mr.Fantastic. Dialogue:

Reed: Don’t you realise you can never succeed? All your life you’ve been seeking vengeance on a world you believe has despised you…There’s still time, Doom–work with us! Your genius can benefit the very people you think hate you!

Doom: Insufferable idiot! You believe Doom is so petty that he seeks mere vengeance? Ignorant poltroon! I seek power because it is rightfully mine! It is a birthright I inherited from my mother–a woman who was murdered by a suspicious, frightened pack of cloddish morons who were too stupid to see the truth! I have ever sought to claim that with is already mine!

Doom freezes Reed in a block of ice

Doom: When we first met, Richards, I thought you a somewhat intelligent student with some promise. Perhaps your scientific intellect grew, but your understanding of human motivation is astonishingly limited! Vengeance? Bah! Doom is above such petty things ]

Reed’ doesn’t get it This issue contains possible evidence for Reed’s autism, in not appreciating Doom’s motivation. At the very least, it shows Doom’s depth. It is easy to pretend that Doom as a two dimensional villain who simply wishes power for its own sake, or who just wants revenge. No, such a shallow motivation is an insult. Doom simply wants what anyone wants: what he sees as justice. Reed’s remark about working with others to help mankind was especially naive: from Doom’s point of view everything he does is to help mankind: Doom sees himself as a superior ruler, able to bring the order and plenty that mankind needs. There is some logic to this, as we shall see in later issues when Zorba gains power. 

Reed’s diplomacy (or lack of it) Further evidence of Reed’s autism is the flashback: when Reed told Doom about the error in his calculation he was incredibly insensitive. Doom was trying to rescue his dead mother. He was breaking all the rules in the most dangerous way possible, all to save his mother. Imagine how Doom was feeling! Doom was not good at handling emotion at the best of times, and here he was on a knife edge, emotionally laid bare and vulnerable. All he asked of others was privacy. And Reed just burst in and said “you got the sums wrong.” Does Reed have no appreciation for feelings? Yes, Reed was right, but being right is not enough: you have to think of the other persons feelings. Knowing what Reed did about Doom, there is absolutely no way Doom could have accepted Reed’s advice. So why bother? Instead, Reed could have said something diplomatic, like “somebody may have tampered with your sums”, and give Doom a way to save face. Literally: because Doom, unable to “save face”, literally lost his face.

Great writing The passage on revenge is another example of this being The Great American Novel. What might appears to be a childish revenge story is in fact a discussion of justice and what is best for humanity. The fact that we can sympathize with Doom and share his frustration, even at the same time that we side with Reed, is a testament to the quality of the writing.

Source: http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/ff-act4-FF176.html