Hello, Here To Remind People That This Discourse Is Hurting Nonbinary People As Well, Especially Nonbinary

Whenever I see people talking about trans men not being oppressed, I remember that video I saw a few years back when an older trans woman was asked why there weren't more trans men from her generation and she said they were still forced into the roles of women and took their own lives because of it.

hate people wanting to shut down conversations about transandrophobia say that trans men and mascs "measurably" experience less violence than trans women and fems

one of the core aspects of transandrophobia is erasure. the rates of violence we face cannot be "measurably" different than anything, because the rates of violence we face are deliberately not measured and erased whenever posssible

It took me forever to figure out how anyone could reasonably claim that trans men weren’t directly targeted by the EO about “protecting women and girls from gender ideology” until I thought about how that phrasing would be interpreted if you’re thinking of trans women and only trans women. Now I’m slightly less irritated with people saying only trans women are gonna get hit by the EOs and switching from “are you fucking for real right now, like are you just pretending this isn’t even here” to “hey I thought about how this would apply to trans women, can you do the same for trans men?”

If your focus is solely on trans women, “protecting women and girls from gender ideology” means not letting trans women into women’s bathrooms or locker rooms, which is enforced by forcibly detransitioning them legally and socially. The idea being to “protect” cis women from trans women existing near them.

If you focus on trans men tho, “protecting women and girls from gender ideology” means denying them any sort of medical transition and then forcibly detransitioning them legally and socially because the “women” you’re trying to “protect” are both the trans men themselves and the egg transmascs near them who might consider transitioning because they now see it as an option. (See: the common rhetoric of trans men perpetuating a “social contagion” and giving your “daughters” “ROGD.”). This is also why it mentions FGM; they’re not talking about actual female genital mutilation, they’re talking about transmasculine bottom surgery. Phalloplasty is like +$100k and no insurance covers it, so basically anyone who was saving up for it just got told to go fuck themselves.

Not to mention no matter what their ASAB was, nonbinary people are going to be hit but in a way that lumps them in with trans women and trans men based on ASAB. They are just as screwed as the rest of us.

I’m just saying, it would help so much if y’all would just read something and think about how it affects multiple different types of people.

Hey let's try this game!

Me when I'm trying to argue in favour of transphobia and deliberately portray myself as a Nazi

When you're talking to a trans masc on tumblr and they say 'Transwoman'

Calling me a transandrobro who believes in some kind of ideology is like calling the kid who pointed at the emperor and said "he's not wearing any clothes" a "clothes truther" who "clings to his dogmatic ideology." I do not care about ideology. I am just pointing out that you're fucking lying.

not to sound blunt but the idea that a trans woman who raises her voice or is rude or speaks over someone else is behaving in a uniquely male manner is just blatantly misogynistic and i don't think you need a gender studies degree to understand that

What really ticks me off is how often prominent trans women activists try to silence trans men or dismiss their lived experiences as not as important bc they ‘trans misogyny exempt’. Then when transmen try to create their own terms to describe their experiences they claim they’re just attention seeking. Another phenomena that could be behind this is the weird alt right/misogynist to trans woman pipeline for public figures. A lot of self professed ‘former’ nazis dictating the discourse…

I blame Whipping Girl for some of this. It was basically everyone's trans Bible in the 2010s and it massively, massively shit on transmascs and nonbinary people. I don't think we've ever completely recovered from that.

This incident in particular always haunts the back of my mind.

(Obligatory mention that it isn't always trans women that do this. Cis people, nonbinaries, and even trans men themselves will happily trash trans men.)

men are so whiny and sensitive about this oh my god. do you not hear how misogynistic entitled and lesbophobic this is and also just what a huge loser you sound like. "lesbians hate us because we're MEN and not sexy butch lesbians" Well yeah.. obviously.. even cis men can usually put it together that lesbians probably love lesbians more than men, so why are you so confused? you expecting some sort of special pussy treatment? No one wishes you would become a butch lesbian, you are thinking quite highly of yourself though aren't you

You know I was looking again at how TRFs see trans men as just people waiting to detransition and become terfs, and how you and so many others I know CANNOT get them to acknowledge that cis crossdressers exist, and it just struck me-

They think cis male crossdressers are either trans women who still have half the eggshell on, or men making fun of trans women-

They think nonbinary people AFAB are just ~trenders~, and nonbinary people AMAB are just women with one foot still in the closet-

They call forcemasc a malicious knockoff of forcefem and even get territorial about striped socks and shark plushies-

They cannot wrap their heads around the idea that misgendering people is still bad when they do it-

Oh god. They don't think transmascs are actually trans. They think we're cis women who just have such a powerful hateboner for trans women that we're willing to change our entire lives and alter our bodies just to make fun of them. They see anyone but a trans woman saying "don't misgender me" as being exactly the same as "cool and I identify as an attack helicopter" or "stop deadnaming me I'm not Ricky I'm Bobo the Chimp". Of course they don't think we experience any meaningful transphobia, they think we're part of the same fucking conspiracy as any garden variety transphobe. Jesus fucking christ on a cracker. Okay.

And honestly? Emotionally, I get it. I've got a lot of fucked up brain shit going on and the world sure does love to sell willful paranoia as "protection" so I too am always super afraid of how people may or may not be judging me and I've caught myself emotionally spiraling into some REALLY stupid places too - but my sympathy runs very dry, very fast, when they're out here saying that clearly the best and most liberating thing for them would be for me to get hatecrimed more because that emotional crisis is a 100% accurate reflection of reality actually.

Even so, fuck, doesn't it get fucking exhausting to live that way? It seems so fucking miserable.

Just. Fuck. I'm so tired. And I'm especially tired of how popular this view or at least "diet" versions of it have gotten. Sis I am just. I am just sitting here! Cut the truscum shit YOU seem at least as miserable for it as you're trying to make me!!

Yeah, that sums it up really well.

trans people being forced by doctors to conform to gender roles and present as their gender for 2 years to get evaluated to transition but somehow we are the ones enforcing gender roles