What Really Ticks Me Off Is How Often Prominent Trans Women Activists Try To Silence Trans Men Or Dismiss

lmfao I guess everyone can just not care that the whipping girl author said talia bhatt was using "radical feminist framework in a bold and compelling way" as official endorsement to promote her book. Cool cool cool.

Hey can we talk about the similarities between how this literal actual TERF describes trans men talking about transandrophobia and how the “transandrophobia isn’t real you transmisogynist*” crowd talk about trans men talking about transandrophobia?

“You want to be a man but you don’t want to be treated like a man” is something they both say!

“They want access to women’s/female spaces” is a point we’ve been arguing about for months (and none of them have a good argument for “are you talking about ones for reproductive healthcare cause I shouldn’t have to explain to you why we’re there” or “do you expect a guy who’s spent years in a social group and forming close friendships with the members to be forcibly kicked out the second he comes out as trans and not have that read as transphobic”)

“You’re claiming you’re more oppressed than trans women” is still false when a TERF is claiming we’re saying that but hey, they’re still claiming the same thing about us

“Transandrophobia is just misogyny/(transphobia)” is yet another talking point we’ve seen already

This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that those of us talking about transandrophobia have been fighting against and to see it out of the mouth of a TERF I think should be setting off alarm bells in some of you. Cause some of you have been drinking radfem juice either without knowing it or while convincing yourself that you can make it trans friendly by just including trans women as women and trans men as men, and I hate to be the one to break it to you but all you did was trade out bioessentialism for gender essentialism and both are just as toxic.

I’m not asking anyone to self flagellate over this, but I am asking you, if you find yourself agreeing with the TERF, to take a step back and ask some serious questions about what you’ve been believing about trans men and tbh trans people in general cause I can guarantee y’all have been engaging in transmisogyny and exorsexism too.

*If you characterize this group as consisting entirely of transfems and no one else when there are plenty of self identified TMEs making the same arguments and one notorious guy that stalks the transandrophobia tag to make this exact argument, please just don’t say anything on this post.

So I recently saw this post about a video where a woman is saying "trans men are men because this one trans man yapped at me for ages about a history topic I didn't ask about" and while that post does bring up really good points ("is it mansplaining or is it just a man talking about a topic you aren't interested in"), I'd like to point out how this is actually one of the functions of transandrophobia.

It takes a very neutral behaviour - talking at length about a topic of interest - and, because of our gender identity as men or masculine, it takes that behaviour and turns it into something seen as "annoying" or "cringe" and demonises it as a specifically male behaviour.

It's malgendering as well, "trans men really are men because they're doing this thing I perceive as negatively associated with cis men".

There is something to say about how, within the context of the video, it didn't seem like the actual dude was "mansplaining" - which is a real misogynistic behaviour. But the post linked talks about that in depth so I'll only briefly touch on it here.

There is a difference between talking down to someone you perceive as less knowledgeable (in the case of mansplaining, men talking down to women because they see them as unintelligent due to misogyny, especially about a subject the woman does have an understanding of), and just talking at length about a topic that someone isn't interested in.

The latter of course gets twisted into misogynistic and annoying/cringe behaviour literally due to the person's gender identity.

And of course all that is to say, actually maybe you should let trans men speak because we are more erased and invisible than even cis women. Why are you (person in the video), as a cis person, putting negative gender stereotypes onto a trans person?

It actually really bothers me how most people are way more willing to listen to TERFs who claim to be detransitioned trans men who initially transitioned for all the TERF talking point reasons (wanting to escape misogyny, just not loving their bodies enough, hating women/femininity, peer pressure, manipulation by doctors etc) than to actual trans men.

It reminds me of the satanic panic when you had all these people claiming to be former members of satanic cults who went around giving interviews about how they used to kill babies in evil satanic orgy rituals but then they saw the error in their ways, started going to church & now they're on a heroic mission to save other people from going down that road that definitely exists. Meanwhile the actual satanists at the time were doing none of that. But of course nobody ever talked to them. Because the truth wasn't as dramatic.

It's the worst when other trans people do it & spread transphobic conspiracy theories about transmisogynistic trans men siding with radfems, being seduced by their ideology enough to detransition & then become TERFs.

Oh where did you hear about that being a thing that happens enough to be a common trend? From TERFs who claim they used to be trans men but then detransitioned after learning that radfeminism is the truth & the light? Of course, they sure have no reason to be lying about that. Especially when they are random anonymous people online. I can totally see why you'd choose to believe what fucking TERFs tell you about the experiences of your fellow trans people, sure, why the fuck not?

So far, 3 of the Trump-pardoned Jan 6th MAGA terrorists have since been arrested on child porn charges. another one killed someone driving drunk the wrong way on a freeway

Just saw a thumbnail where a YouTuber I really respect shouted out Trans/Rad/Fem (very enthusiastically) and after months of you pointing out how the whole ideology being based in radical feminism & after seeing how Thalia Blatt views other members of the trans community —

Ralph Wiggum voice: I’m in danger!

And I will give the video a fair shake when I have the emotional capacity & time for it but fuck, what a thing to wake up to. Like, cool, we’re breaching containment to the big leagues.

I'm really exhausted with someone as transmisogynistic as her regularly being held up as an icon of transfeminism but thankfully she's incapable of controlling herself so with any luck her next inevitable violent blow up at other trans women will finally get people to drop her.

To be one hundred percent clear, I'm not being glib, Talia Bhatt has a record of telling trans women to kill themselves, calling them slurs, and holding grudges over them living their lives in ways she disapproves of that erupt into ragefully attacking them in front of her very large audience, and this is literally a benefit we should actually truly be thankful for because it increases the chances the popularity of her and her transphobic ideas will not stick. She has a demonstrable lack of impulse control that makes it more difficult for her to keep the mask of Based Transfeminist on, which is fantastic news for everyone who'd prefer a virulent transmisogynist not be directing transfeminism.

I'm just gonna say it: people using the term "transandrobros" gives me the exact same vibe as people saying "feminazis".

all this "um these non-western people are ACTUALLY just trans women, they just don't understand gender as goodly as I do :))" shit really gives "there's NO way the ignorant brown people could've built the pyramids, it MUST'VE been aliens!!". but again I had a racist father who was into the flat earth, ancient aliens, etc. bullshit so I could just be projecting a little lol........

if someone from another country doesn't identify as a trans woman MAYBE that's because they're not a trans woman, NOT because they're too uneducated and ignorant to know about the concept of trans women?? I feel like that shouldn't be that hard a concept to grasp.

the western gender binary of Masculine Man and Feminine Woman is not some innate biological default that all other cultures strive to emulate. Y'all are just exorsexist, xenophobic, and very very stupid.

The thing is, they just think the Western gender binary is objectively superior, so it's supposed to be flattering when they insist that White people simply imposed third sex nonsense onto, for example, Native Americans. It's more "brown people couldn't possibly have strayed from the light of the true path on their own, they're smarter than that."

I spend hours scrolling through blogs to establish a link between transandrophobia theory and terfism...and...he just...tweeted it out

If transmascs were saying "erm transfems being v-coded is just as bad as my dysphoria over not having balls" then people would lose their shit about it (as they should, because it's objectively not true and also an incredibly transmisogynistic thing to say), but somehow it's okay for TRFs to pull out the pitchforks when transmascs say that forced pregnancy as a form of detransition is worse than womb dysphoria???

The double-standards in this community baffle me.