🤚i Wanna Know About Your Misce Identity! How Is It Like To Be Tridynamic? Do You Have Scents? What

Changed profile picture to what used to be the banner thing.

Changed banner thing to the novigender flag mixed with the genderqueer flag (cause both are what I use for my gender [I/my used to refer to Shay, the host]).

- Shay (They/it)

Send us asks about our packmates!

(All of our kins and fictives are ocs so far)

List of all known/named packmates;

ShaySubpack (asked for overall or individually); Zuki, Cyan, and Akay 🐾🪶🩵🖌 (emojis are in order)

Declan 😺

Lakey 🌊

Lynix 🐈‍⬛

Shirley 🦮

Den 🐲

Mystery ❔️

Phalen x2(?) 🌕

Onyx 🐺

Arden ⛏️

Moonfire 🌙🔥

Nile 🦇

Okami 🌖

Vesper 🌠

Mani(?) Another subpack 🌹

You can put names and/or emojis [we'd prefer at least names] for who you are asking about (hopefully every being will answer their own questions, lol). Just ask a question and put who you're asking about!

Edit: Also if you don't have specific questions, you can just put who you're asking about and who ever it is will just probably ramble a bit, lol.

- Shay 🐾

It's a great movie!!! We love it!

- Shay

We are being overwhelmed by a bunch of movie choices to watch while we try and either sleep or continue doing random stuff on our phone. Help.

Gonna do a poll so anyone who sees our post rn can help us decide on a movie to watch [our brain may end up actually choosing a different movie than the poll actually ends up as, cause of our stupid PDA (Pathological demand avoidance) and stuff]

Also, for the "Other" option, please have the movies be kid friendly as we [Shay subpack] might be slightly regressed rn.

Apparently, the poll has to last for either a day or a week, but it will actually last for like 1 hour or so for us.

- Shay 🐾

If I remember to actually check my asks, I'll participate!

- Zuki Shay Lupo (They/it)

alterhuman trick-or-treat!

as october comes to an end, the time for Spooky approaches. the creatures of the night awaken, their reflecting eyes shine in the darkness. and what better way to celebrate than a good old trick-or-treat?

inbox trick-or-treating is a beloved tradition here on tumblr, which consists in sending an ask to the blog(s) of you choice as if they were houses in your neighborhood and you were the kid politely knocking on their door. you would ask, "trick or treat?" and the asked would then choose whether to reply with a treat (picture of candy) or a trick (a joke, a poem, a haiku, a drawing...).

well... thats the normal one anyways.

i propose something a bit different this year: an alterhuman-themed trick-or-treat! what is that, youll ask? simple: the 31st of october, instead of sharing candy, we will share our 'types snacks! for example, if youre a cat therian you can share a fish-shaped treat, if youre fictionkin you can share your favorite food from your source, if youre alienkin you can share your cultures traditional dish... the possibilities are endless!

how to participate? reblog this post to let your followers know youre doing this! the 31st ill send an ask to everyone who interacted with this post so no one misses out on the fun. see you on halloween!

Love this post!!!

We ourselves don't have DID or OSDD [at least not diagnosed, and we won't argue with anyone on if we do or do not actually have either of these]. We think that those disorders don't fit us because of reasons related to our own experiences, and arguing with us isn't gonna change shit.

However, we do think our plurality relates at least a little to our trauma, so in that way, we are both under the "endogenic" label and "traumagenic". The origin we describe ourselves as is specifically "quoitraumagenic" which is a mix of "quoigenic" and "traumagenic". We have a post with the definition from a website about plurality.

We don't typically want to talk about our origin(s?) for our plurality. We are plural, and that's all that actually matters.

- Shay 🐾

hey, i saw a post on here saying you guys support non "traumagenic" systems and I was wanting to know if thats true.

You guys are so amazing and have helped me with my identity a lot, but this information is really important to me as a trauma survivor with severe PTSD. If you are pro endos but are open to listening to trauma survivors and phycology sources, I absolutely will provide them. I want you guys to be a safe space for people with PTSD and dissociative disorders so bad, as people who has OSDDDID tend to have more "contradictory" labels in the first place, due to the complex relationship all the different alters identities make combined.

I'm hoping so much that you'll be open to listening if this is true.

hello! i'm good, i don't need any!

if you only have severe PTSD and not a dissociative disorder and do not identify as plural, you should NOT be commenting on plurality at all. like i hate to break it to you, but if you do not deal with plurality, you do not know what the experience is like. reading papers about it will not give you insight into how people actually live.

i'm an inclusive Dissociative Identity Disorder system who is 100% pro endo, and any other type of system. i support ALL plurals, i don't cherry pick. you're correct, this blog is a safe space, especially for people with "contradictory" identities or ones that "don't make sense." why wouldn't i be here for endogenic and non traumagenic systems?

that would go against everything i stand for.

i am a trauma survivor as well. i *have* DID, i don't really need any resources on the matter- before I was diagnosed i spent years researching, and i still do keep up with research. i am aware that DID and OSDD are caused by trauma! generally it's severe, repeated trauma and/or neglect. i have no memories of my life before the age of 10. i too have severe PTSD, i have a diagnosis for C-PTSD in specific. i live with this every day of my life. i still have a lot of trauma and triggers. i black out and lose time and regularly forget who i am or where i'm at.

something to keep in mind is research on DID has literally 0 bearing on other types of plurality. just because there is a lot of research into DID, OSDD, etc. does not mean that other plural experiences do not exist. when ONLY siting medical sources and saying that because there's no other "proof" or "evidence" that other types of plurality "can't" exist, it's an appeal to authority. there is no research data to point toward because studies on DID and OSDD and other dissociative disorders have really only gained traction within the last 10 - 20 years maximum. this is an extremely recent phenomenon! just because there are no (paid, keep in mind that studies have to find funding, and investors are picky) medical papers or studies to point toward doesn't mean something isn't happening.

someone identifying as plural without trauma is not an affront to plurals who do have trauma. someone identifying as a system who doesn't have or know of any childhood trauma is not spitting in your face. i've seen this take around and it's just not it. don't take someone else's mental health as an attack on yours. it's not hurting you at all for people to identify as plural if they don't have trauma. it's not spitting in *my* face, so it's not spitting in yours, either. it's okay to let non traumagenic systems exist. it's not exacerbating your trauma or re-traumatizing you or subjecting you to new trauma.

they're not saying that your trauma is invalid just because they don't have any. i don't like people who get on a high horse because they have a dissociative disorder and act like they get to police how other people's brains work. you only know how your brain works. you do not know how any other type of system works.

endogenic systems are not identifying as endogenic to spite you or dissociative systems. they're not doing it to hurt you. they're doing it because they identify as multiple people. that is not being done with the intention to hurt anyone. this is about THEM, not you. nobody is the protagonist of the plural community. no one.

as a plural, myself, i get to choose who i support. and i choose to support people who aren't hurting anyone or doing anything wrong. i really don't care how offensive some people find non traumagenic systems, but they're not hurting you, me, or anyone else. live and let live. you don't know how someone else's brain works. you will never be able to know how someone else's brain works. accepting that will make your life easier.

being angry at other people for not having trauma will not make yours go away or undo what was done to you. you should never take out your frustrations on people who haven't hurt you. endos haven't hurt you, you just don't agree with them. these are 2 separate things. also you really don't have the right to comment on the nature of how complex non traumagenic plurality is or is not- endogenic systems can have just as many nuanced and complex identities regardless of whether or not they're dissociating. they're still multiple people whether or not you see them that way. they also have complex identities, why wouldn't they? being different people leads to a lot of complexity. you should still see them as multiple people even if you don't think it's legit. that's basic respect for another person who, again, literally hasn't hurt you.

also endogenic and non dissociative systems are still people, and we should still care about them. they're still people even if you don't agree with them, and again: they have not hurt you by virtue of existing.

hope that helps and makes sense. i am not open to changing my mind on this, but i appreciate you giving me a good reason to explain my stance on the matter. i don't have the right to police other people and tell them how their own brains work. you don't have that right, either. i'm not here to police anyone. that goes against everything i stand for. i don't gatekeep.

i'm not a cop.

Uh, we are not sure if frogs are good pets (we mean, like how a wild animal isn't a good pet, basically not sure if they should be kept as pets).

We have not had frog legs before. And we are not sure if we would ever want to have them.

- Shay 🐾

Hey, what are your opinions on frogs? We need strong opinions, it’s for a school project (lie). -Consensus

Frogs are cool!!!

We love all animals!!!

We don't know much about frogs, though.

Sorry, this probably isn't really what you want. But this is what we can give.

- Shay 🐾

I'm gonna start calling ourself a system/plural, I don't know the exact origin yet, cause I don't know if I had "enough" trauma at the "right" time for it to be DID or OSDD or any other dissociative disorder. But it feels like we are a system/plural.

We will only really be doing this here, I am unsure if I am gonna tell anyone I know in real life for now. I might wait till I figure out our origin, and even then, it would only be a few people that I would tell.

This feels like the right words and terms for what we feel. I will just be using system and plural for us as terms until I figure out more, of course.

- Shirley (They/them + ix/ix/ixs/ixs/ixself) | feels like the right name rn

[Using both I/me and we/our]

Firstly, species dysphoria is definitely a thing, and it's a lot like gender dysphoria (coming from beings who have both).

Secondly, absolutely it fucking sucks when we see the "I am human" things. Like, nope, that's not true. None of us are human.

(We wrote most of this a while ago, lol)

- Shay 🐾

I know everyone in non/alterhuman community always makes jokes about these 'prove you're human' captchas (hell our host posted one the other day lmao) but I wonder, does anyone else get genuinely upset by these?

I don't mean the jokes btw, I mean the captcha itself

I know it's probably a really dumb thing to get upset over and the wording on a captcha doesn't mean a damn thing but still, it gets to me

Maybe that's just because I'm ahuman but it makes me upset to even think about having to 'prove I'm human' when I'm not

It makes me feel sick

I don't want to be seen as human, I don't want to be labeled as human, I don't want other people to call me human, I don't want to call myself human, I don't even want entertain the mere suggestion that I could be a human or anything similar to it

Again, I know that the wording on captchas don't mean shit, but I can't help that it makes me upset, it just does

I certainly don't wanna have to get upset every time I log into something online, it's exhausting

I guess it kinda gives a feeling of dysphoria? I dunno that's what our host Berri says, even he isn't sure though cause he only experiences gender dysphoria but I've heard species dysphoria is a thing so maybe that's what it is

Idk

I guess I kinda just wanna know that I'm not alone in this feeling, that I'm not just being worthlessly dramatic

We are probably being very dumb right now, but what do you mean? (To Icky/ @leashme )

- Shay

putting this on main actually;

it annoys me to death when folks say stuff like “i’m not a therian, im a [xyz animal]”

because hey that’s what a therian is!

to say you don’t identify as a therian because you just ARE that animal is to say that therians AREN’T really the animal they claim to be. which is so wrong. to say you don’t like the term therian because it’s ‘too human’ is so insensitive.

therians are not necessarily human! someone calling themself a therian in no way makes them human! equating therians with humans is weird!

stop treating us like we are human, stop trying to separate ‘really being an animal’ from being a therian. they are the same thing. you’re not superior or different to us because you “really are that animal”. we all are.

Well, we have Okami and Zuki who are cousins in their source, lol.

We also have what seems like 2 Phalens and we aren't quite sure what exactly is up with them, lol. (If you want to learn more about either of them, just send an ask about them).

Honestly, our brain isn't wanting to work rn, lol. So this seems to be all that we can say rn. We might reblog again if we think of more, lol.

- ShaySubpack 🐾

What sorts of dynamics exist within your system?

How do sub packs affect said dynamics?

And who the hell is Okami🌔?

-Icky🤍

Not sure how to answer your first two questions, lol.

Okami is an MHA/BNHA fictive. They are my (Zuki's) cousin. We haven't really talked about them much and they haven't talked outside of our pack much if at all, lol.

- ShaySubpack 🐾 more specifically Zuki 🪶