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trans women who don't fight for trans men and nonbinary people don't care about all trans people, they only care about themselves.

trans men who don't fight for trans women and nonbinary people don't care about all trans people, they only care about themselves.

nonbinary people who don't fight for trans women and trans men don't care about all trans people, they only care about themselves.

if we want to survive and succeed, the only way is through solidarity. any trans activism that does not include all trans people has failed as trans activism.

Nevermind this isn't staying a comment

Dawg, would you look at that??😯😰😨

A trans"woman" just admitted he is a man and threatened a woman for 'hurting his feelings'. His Y chromosome must be acting up again!

This clown's takes are so "funny". No, you idiot, hating your brothers isn't enough to make them pick you, and you should go to hell foe trying in the first place. Get a fucking grip

Transmisandry isn’t a thing because misandry isn’t a thing. You don’t get a special little pass because you’re trans. That’s an entirely different type of oppression

"There's no way this person I hate could face any hardship" is pretty common in TERF thought, so idk how these people can miss that unless the idea of a TERF is just a boogeywomyn for them

i wanna knooooooow what makes you half detrans. im sitting here in front of my computer, kicking my feet, waiting for an explanation (there is none) (it's just a roundabout way of calling you a man, in the same way they can call transmascs "theyfabs") (how long are we giving it until they start unironically calling you a trans-identified male, terf-style?)

also, aren't you objectively materially under bigger risk than transfems on hrt, under the trf framework? as someone who would literally be seen as a Faggot Male Invading Women's Spaces? what's your "yes woman, completely not on hrt" status mean in the trans radfem framework? (are they capable of constructing what it means for you to be in that position without just kneejerking?)

Yeah, lol. I try not to be weird about trans women with passing goals, all trans women are cool and should be allowed to do with their bodies what they want, and if that means looking as close to cis woman as is humanly possible I'm down with that and support them, but, also, literally every TRF would be as good as invisible if they walked into a woman's locker room next to me and they should consider that the next time they say TERFs are my biggest fan.

evil sneaky lying men want access to your Women's Resources to steal them from Real Women. it's not perpetuating reactionary transmisogyny to say this because the men we're talking about are transgender men 👍 don't worry about it.

[Clem. She/her]

I love how I can say "hey, you weren't accused of rape because you are a trans woman. you were accused of that because of your provable actions. This isn't like a common transphobic thing that happens to people. Beiing accused of shit is serious and if you downplay it or act like it's some sort of sillh thing that happens to you because #trans women things, I'm going to assume you actually did do that and think your identity can help save you from accountability."

and then get an ask about "internalized transmisogyny"

Like no, hun, you don't go around complaining about how the evil AFABs keep accusing you of sexual abuse and acting all melanie martinez about it and then expect people to take you seriously.

Tell any queer IRL that you think trans dudes get out of T4T relationships and accuse trans women of rape and sexual abuse for 'no reason' and that you see it as a "rite of passage" and get back to me. This is not a common thing. At all. If you are out here boasting you got called out for being abusive, fuck off.

Like I said, don't do abusive shit and your chances of being accused go down to almost 0. And also, innocent people don't make a point to bring up their identity anf victimize themselves every two seconds to downplay the severity of rape and accusations of it. Just sayin'.

It's not transmisogyny to say this is not at all an experience that happens in the wider trans community.

However, it is of note to say a lot of the "men are so evil🥺🥺" crowd of the trans community is often accused of abuse with mountains of evidence, and hyped up that OG post.

Weird, almost like the people who have harmful ideas about a group of people are harmful (abusive) to them in relationships.. but nooo women are too soft and pure to ever do wrong.

Uneles, of course, they don't agree with you.

a lot of you take terf arguments but then just replace the identity with transmasc/lesboy/theyfab/etc. and you're not fucking slick about it.

If you see a trans man speak up about his community in a discussion he has every right to be in, and your first instinct is to tell him he sounds like an MRA saying "What about men," then you are not an ally to trans men.

When you talk about trans history that impacted and impacts trans men, expect trans men to speak up about themselves. When you talk about reproductive justice, expect trans men to talk about themselves. When you talk about living under the patriarchy as a marginalized gender, expect trans men to speak up about themselves.

(I mean this in a very broad sense. Of course, when trans women are talking about things that are largely unique to them, bringing up trans men may not be the best way to engage with the conversation)

But anyway, the difference between Conservative MRA saying "What about men", and trans men voicing their experiences in conversations they are a part of (but have been forgotten in) is that MRA's purpose is to entirely ignore intersectional feminism. They want to say "Men have it bad too, so women need to stop complaining." They have no interest in a productive discussion that benefits themselves, and the women they are arguing with.

Trans men just want to be heard. We want to add to the conversation. We have a place in the conversation because we are a marginalized gender. We do not want to speak over anyone because our motivation is to not say "But we have it bad too, so stop complaining." Our motivation is to say "We have this same experience because we are a marginalized gender too."

If you can't distinguish between a trans man desperate to be listened to about his own issues for once, and cis men desperate to shut women up, then you need to reflect on your allyship

trans people being forced by doctors to conform to gender roles and present as their gender for 2 years to get evaluated to transition but somehow we are the ones enforcing gender roles

okay. so. this is clearly a terf post because no one can be this dense about transandrophobia without swallowing the terf pill, but in case anyone is actually thinking like this.

trans men are not trying to suggest that trans women are oppressing us. why is it that when we talk about a cisgendered society oppressing us, you assume we’re talking about trans women?? trans men talking about how a cisnormative and patriarchal society affects us has absolutely nothing to do with trans women, except to acknowledge that we’re all in the same boat and therefore need to stick together underneath hostile threats towards our community.

no we did not think transitioning would make the “gender prison” magically disappear, and that line of thinking blatantly shows that you subscribe to the terf idea that trans men only transition to “escape” womanhood, while believing that trans women are the only “real” trans people who transition because they have no other choice (huh… where have i heard discourse about what makes someone a “real” [insert marginalised group of people] before?)

trans people and their identities are not a political stance or commentary on gender. a trans man existing is not because they believe they magically have male privilege now or because they think men are better than women. male privilege and the patriarchy were designed by white, cis men for white, cis men. we do not have access to male privilege in the ways that cis men do, and we are accutely aware of this. none of us are whining about not gaining male privilege, because we’re reminded every single day every time our autonomy is violently stripped away from us that male privilege does not and will not include us.

this all also comes down to the problem of trans men being erased from history by historians treating us as “women who dressed up as men to escape the patriarchy” as opposed to actual trans people who existed alongside other trans people. because of this, there’s a subconscious idea that trans men and mascs are a recent phenomenon, almost like a subset of trans people that branched out from trans women, as opposed to being trans people in their own right. when we talk about our experiences and oppression, we’re met with this idea that everything we’re talking about is stuff that already exists for other people and we’re just co-opting it, as opposed to oppression we’ve historically been facing for as long as anyone else, but our erasure means that terms for these experiences do not get spread around nearly as much.

“transandrophobia” may be considered to be a new term, but the actual oppressions that trans men face on the basis of being trans men is not new. we’re just finally talking about it. and if you would actually read through the tag that you’re infiltrating and what trans men are actually saying, you’d learn what those oppressions are. the type of misogyny we face comes from the idea that we’re “defected” women and need to be “fixed”, and it’s the type of misogyny we experience from women, particularly white, cis women, who view Eurocentric ideas of womanhood and femininity as the ideal or men who want our bodies “restored” back into baby machines. our forced detransitioning and sterilisation is an extremely serious issue that deserves to be talked about, especially since forceful detransitioning is practically a death sentence for many trans people. “at least they don’t want to kill you” no they just want us to kill ourselves. that’s better i guess.

all this to say, trans men experience oppression in different ways to cis women and other trans people, because we are different people, and talking about those experiences does not harm trans women in any way. we are not speaking over trans women. we are not suggesting that trans women are in any way a threat to us. cisgender people who are upholding the gender binary and the patriarchy (and yes, that includes radfems) are a threat to us, in the same way that they’re a threat to trans women. we are all in the same boat. we just want to talk about the shit that we face and be listened to for once.

if you see this type of post, assume that it’s a terf. assume that it is a cisgendered terf, even if they claim to be part of the community, who is masquerading as a trans person in order to sow the seeds of discourse. even if I’m wrong, who cares. they’re getting blocked either way. terfs are trying to divide trans men and women right now, in the same way that men want them to divide cis women and trans women in order to distract them with infighting, and make trans men feel that they are not accepted or that their struggles are not real, so that they can groom trans men into detransitioning. people like OP are a threat to trans people. don’t fall for it.