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May I say this much: if Elain wants Lucien to stop visiting, then she does owe him the decency to politely tell him so.
In my humble opinion she owes him a healthy amount of kindness. Not because heās her mate, but because heās a living being with emotions. Explain to me how it is justified for Elain to be nice to anyone but Lucien? Itās not, not anymore. Iām not saying Lucien is entitled to sweet words, endless conversations, let alone dates. She owes him one sentence.
One "I appreciate your presents, but I need space and time." One "I donāt want you to ever visit again." Whatever.
Elain is an adult in her mid-twenties, I trust her to speak for herself, as she has before. Itās not too much to ask. Itās not on Lucien to read her like a book. Heās not intrusively going against her will. Elain has never voiced how Lucien should or shouldnāt act because she has no solution either.
Donāt you find it sus how Elain, is an angel to anyone but the guy whose middle name is gentleman? The guy who gives her space, brings her presents and doesnāt expect anything? This doesnāt look like a girl who doesnāt care to me, it looks like a girl whoās overwhelmed.
To be clear, Iām never saying itās not valid for Elain to feel uncomfortable or pressured. Her emotions explain but they donāt justify her ignoring Lucien. Iām never judging Elain for anything. However, there comes point where itās no longer excusable to push things, people, along. And that point is this close š¤ to be reached by Elain.
Elain, Feminism, and Deeper Implications?
Disclaimer 1: This is my first time posting! I am very new to the āfandom.ā I got a Tumblr after finishing the ACOTAR series and wanted to delve deeper into underlying theory, mythology, folklore and themes. I found such thorough and beautiful analyses and theories on here, so I decided to legitimize my lurking and just get an account. Iām not really sure how Tumblr works with the tags. Please be forgiving and kind if I did all of this wrong!
Disclaimer 2: I have read all of SJMās books. I am āproāElain, Feyre, Nesta and every character in the series (yes- even the āevilā ones). I say that bc I have noticed (as a newbie) this fandom has a tendency to get nasty so quickly and we miss the essence of such psychologically complex and dynamic characters. I am a clinical psychologist, and have a great appreciation for how SJM writes all of her characters (villains included). That being said, this is a pro-Elain/pro- woman post. If you donāt like Elain, then donāt read this!
Ok so šØ Major HOSAB spoiler below šØ
Let me just be honest, I knew the ending of HOSAB before reading it (LOL). I couldnāt help but look online and spoil it for myself. I am who I am. I am totally and unapologetically the girl who reads the last page of the book before starting. Guilty as charged.
Anyways, letās talk about mfān bread and roses. I tried to look around and see if anybody was discussing the MAJOR sociopolitical and historical implications of this, but didnāt see anything (so sorry if I missed somebodyās post and this was previously discussed). Bread and Roses is a slogan tied to feminist advocacy and the suffrage movement.
On a surface level, ābread and rosesā is OBVIOUSLY alluding to Elain who is not present in the scene. I donāt see how anybody could argue that this symbolism is heavily associated with Elain. What I am talking about is the deeper implication for Elain with SJM assigning these symbols to her throughout the series. For whatever reason, I never put it together on the deeper level until it was literally in print, in front of my eyeballs, and I read aloud multiple times āBREAD AND ROSES!!!!ā It was in this moment that I realized SJM is more brilliant and, potentially, politically bold than I originally thought.
Becauseā¦BREAD AND ROSES!? Letās briefly chat about the implications of this and how I think this totally ties in with Elain, our most āfeminineā coded character in the SJM metaverse. So the slogan āBread and Rosesā was coined by labor organizer Rose Schneiderman in a 1911 speech encouraging women to fight for more than bare minimum pay for necessities (bread)..we also deserve love, beauty, art, and MORE (roses). We deserve to not just survive, but to live: āThe worker must have bread, but she must have roses, too.ā This inspired the poem āBread and Rosesā by James Oppenheim, which later became a song, as well as a feminist/civil rights/labor rights slogan that is still relevant and readily used today. In fact, the 2019 Womenās March theme in London wasā¦Bread and Roses. And..just read this:
Bread and Roses
By James Oppenheim
As we go marching, marching, in the beauty of the dayāØA million darkened kitchens, a thousand mill lofts grayāØAre touched with all the radiance that a sudden sun disclosesāØFor the people hear us singing, bread and roses, bread and roses
As we come marching, marching, we battle too, for menāØFor they are women's children and we mother them againāØOur days shall not be sweated from birth until life closesāØHearts starve as well as bodies, give us bread, but give us roses
As we come marching, marching, un-numbered women deadāØGo crying through our singing their ancient call for breadāØSmall art and love and beauty their trudging spirits knewāØYes, it is bread we fight for, but we fight for roses, too
As we go marching, marching, we bring the greater daysāØThe rising of the women means the rising of the raceāØNo more the drudge and idler, ten that toil where one reposesāØBut a sharing of life's glories, bread and roses, bread and roses
Notice any parallels? Any buzzwords in there from any specific prophesies you noticed? š
The slogan āBread and Rosesā was a rallying cry during the Lawrence Strike, aka āBread and Roses Strike,ā aka āThe Singing Strike(!!)ā in 1912. The Bread and Roses Strike was a large strike of women textile workers in Lawrence, MA. Many women were beaten and soaked with firehoses in the dead of winter. What was unique, at this time in history, was the āspiritā of the workers who were singing and chanting. I read that singing was an integral part of the success of the strike, as many could not read or speak English. Song was used to bring women together and help others learn the English language.
Are you seeing any possible parallels here, but in a fantasy world with magical powers, yet? Perhaps some āsingingā powers as it might pertain to Elain developing more understanding and fluency of her powers? Becauseā¦I am!
(Iām going to stay away from shipping bc I am honestly terrified to go there with the fandom and donāt want to get my head ripped offā¦but yea.)
Ok so how does this tie into Elain, you ask? Elain is disliked by a lot of the fandom (from what I can see) bc sheās seen as āboring.ā Sheās seen as a bland/vanilla girl who just enjoys her flowers and baking. People use this to justify their stance in the ship war. Sheās ātoo muchā in regards to domesticity and simplicity (by perspectives I have read). Sheās a very traditionally feminine coded, gender-loaded character..kind of like these symbols which have been used throughout the womenās/civil rights movement to fight with and rally behind. I think people are about to be VERY surprised by Elain. I was already sure of this and then I read that last chapter of HOSAB..and Iām convinced!
Rose Schneiderman in 1911: āWhat the woman who labors wants is the right to live, not simply existāthe right to life as the rich woman has the right to life, and the sun and music and art. You have nothing that the humblest worker has not a right to have also. The worker must have bread, but she must have roses, too.ā
Sun, music, artā¦hmmm.
SJM is an unapologetic feminist. In the dedication to KOA SJM wrote:
āFor my parents--who taught me to believe that girls can save the worldā
Her using Bread and Roses and connecting Elain to bread and roses as symbols throughout the ACOTAR series was intentional. It was not an accident. It is not in place to stand that she is weak and boring. That she is naive and simple. I truly believe SJM has a (large) percentage of the fandom believing that Elain is a simple and domestic woman who just wants to garden her flowers and bake her bread (āshe belongs in Spring!ā), but Bread and Roses are so much more than that. There is hope for more. There is hope shining through the void to not just survive! But to live! You will not tell me otherwise after that slapped me in the face. Bread and Roses is a rallying cry, still used in civil rights movements to this day! Used to advocate for racial, gender, and social equality. LGBTQ rights, labor rights, politicsā¦.Bread and flippinā roses.
Women do not have to settle for the bare necessities. Women do not have to settle for surviving. We (Elain included) deserve to live! Bread and Roses is a slogan representative of egalitarianism. Balance. No matter our sexual orientation, race, religion, gender, or hobbiesā¦we are ALL deserving of love and beauty. Joy and wonder. Art and song. Thatās what Bread and Roses is about.
Andā¦because I canāt resistā¦an author who has associated such STRONG feminist symbols with a character would never pit that character against another woman over a man. SJM is not going to make this next book about a manās choice of what woman he wants. It will be Elain āBread and Rosesā Archeronās choice to get her damn roses. To not simply settle for the bread. I have never been more confident in where the direction is going. Shipping aside, Elainās book is about the serve.
āHearts starve as well as bodies, give us bread, but give us rosesā
I would love to hear thoughts or if anybody else picked up on this!
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The acotar ladies as Disney characters:
Feyre = Merida (brave, no nonsense, skilled archer)
Nesta = Mulan (intelligent and a warrior)
Elaine = Rapunzel (sunshine flower child)
Mor = Jasmine (beautiful, strong and speaks her mind)
Gwen = Ariel (the singer that longs for adventure)
Emerie = Tiana (determined and a business owner extraordinaire)
Amren = tinkerbelle (small, powerful and has a bit of an attitude)!
we dont see the tiny ancient one enough no I'm not open to discussion
Micah out here monologuing like a Disney villian about how he set up and murdered Danika:
Also Micah:
Bryce:
Hunt and everyone watching:
House of Flame and Shadow 1/30/2024!!!
SJM's been planting hints in acosf and cc1 (question of the day: how blind am I to not see the hints in acosf)
WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE WORLDS CONNECT WITH EACH OTHER IN CC3
okay sjm said the hints in acosf includes the eight pointed star
(also you all im literally crying rn im that excited oh my gosh)
the world that kicked out the Asteri IS THE WORLD WHERE RHYS AND FEYRE LIVES
in acosf there's talk about a group of people who lived in Prythan before Rhys and the bunch ("the overlords and the high fae)-- they're the ones who kicked the Asteri out
we'll find out more abt the eight point star
cc3 will have NON STOP REVEALS AND CONNECTIONS
CC3 picks up right off where CC2 leave off cuz sjm can leave us hanging bahahahaha
first draft is split between acotar and midgard
"book three is going to be so long... maybe my longest book ever"
"you'll see what happens with Ruhn and Day" (im sqealing)
"you should be worried [about Ruhn in the dungeons]"
"what goes on in the dungeons might be too much.. I'll see what my editors say about it"
"poor Ruhn and Hunt and Baxian" (im scared for my babies)
confirmed Aelin sees Rhys and Feyre in KoA
The "star" (Aelin) Rhys sees gets fully mentioned in CC3 (im crying even harder now so exicted omigosh)
Rhy's already been thinking about them not being alone in the universe.. he been "kinda of ready but not really for it"
Bryce from a modern world with technology in a world without it (sjm's biggest concern is "toilet paper" and "that" (im assuming how people in acotar shit) will be answered in cc3
Hunt's lineage and bat wings and angel wings will all get explained in cc3
I KEEP CRYING
"avengers level crossover"
"how they get along and DONT get along"
"Nyx definitely features...so far... in book three" (dont cut Nyx out im beggin)
timeline could shift a little but Bryce falling through the world happened around six months after silver flames ("so Nyx is still like a little baby")
Will see everyone being very protective of baby Nyx
āWho else can open up gates toā āThat is a big questionā (suggestive expressionš)
NO BUT SJMāS LOOK WHEN Katherine mention WYRM GATES asdfghjkl
cc3 will be released in 18 months to 2 years
āSet up for future books..future acotar or cresent city booksā (Iām waitingggggg)
Sjm be nodding so enthusiastically when Katherine said āim sure their be new people for us to meetā and āshifting perspectives from Nestaās perspective to Feyreā asdfghjkl
You know how Day Wing just sounds so weird but Daniel Altan Wing just screams hot?
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