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Hi. I am/was a mileven defender until I saw that scene in the van and Mike's copy pasted monologue that felt like it wasn't even meant for El but for Will.

As a straight person, I don't think I can relate to a queer person's frustration or anger over Season 4 even if I tried.

And I'm sorry but that's why it's hard for me to understand why you guys have given up on your ship when it's obvious that my people are the ones that should be getting prepared for a massive straight bait.

I hate to even think about it and it saddens me to the core but Mike is clearly projecting. He doesn't feel about El the way he feels about Will and it shows. I think El truly loves Mike tho so it's even more frustrating to me.

I wanted mileven to work so badly and I still do but given Mike's strange behavior and the way Will and Mike look at each other and the way they stand side by side between two other canon ships in the final scene and actually all their scenes together, it's hard to not to believe that your ship is the one they're going for.

I guess it's a good thing that they are planning on making the gay ship endgame. I know you guys need some decent representation and I'm sorry about the people that are mocking you for it on Twitter or in real life. All of that doesn't mean I suddenly started shipping them tho. I'm still clinging on to mileven. Probably forever.

I just wanted to acknowledge that I think it's weird that many of you have lost hope. But again, I can't really relate to the things queer people are experiencing and going through on a daily basis so I want to apologize if anything I just said was insensitive.

hello!

This was really interesting to read, thank you so much for sharing, genuinely! I hadn’t thought about it from this perspective before because i’ve mostly seen mike/el fans only celebrating after s4, and i’ve gotten several rude messages since vol. 2’s release over me being delusional and crazy for thinking byler would ever happen. It’s super interesting we are both doubting our ships and convinced the other will now be canon after s4… and I find it really fascinating that as a mileven shipper you thought Mike’s speech to El sounded like it was meant for Will…

I still have faith that byler could happen, and the ending shots really make me think it will, but i’m worried that they won’t be able to fix the damage they did to it in s4 fully, in s5, because I thought the writing in s4 was very different than what we have previously seen in the show, and so many characters didn’t get the development i thought they deserved. Regardless of whose ship ends up being endgame, I just hope that they fix it and actually resolve something in s5 so it ends on a healthy note for the couple. I believe everyone should ship whoever they want, so its totally fine by me if you don’t ship byler. Also, thank you <3 It definitley sucks to be mocked by so many people rn LOL.

I hope you’re well! xx

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“the little details in the show aren’t that deep” ok so let me get this straight a central thing going on in mike’s life rn is not being able to tell his gf (of two years) he loves her as seen thru their recent convos and all of his letters right. and this tiny blink-and-you-miss-it blurry ass card says i LIKE you instead of love for a valentines day gift from mike in el’s shrine. but let’s not forget all the drawings from will pinned up next to mike’s bed and in his basement with nothing from el, the literal huge one-way sign pointing to his open closet, etc etc. just for u to tell me that “they aren’t that deep” ok girl. ok.

David said that as a fan of the show, he was very excited to see something that occurs in episode 7. those reviews that everyone was crying over today? they were written without viewing episode 7. odd, seeing as ep7 is still part of volume one, yet reviewers weren’t allowed to watch it. if byler becomes canon in episode 7, the reviewers would be able to say that prior to the release because the review embargo lifted, but for some reason, they could only see 1-6.

what comes after the release of the first 7 episodes?? pride month.

what is bylers number? 7.

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