It's Them

AND ANOTHER THING ABOUT THAT is that--what gets me about the Miles and Margo flirting vs not flirting debate is that I really think people are underestimating how annoyed Miles is with Gwen in this scene.

Bear with me. I'm not saying anyone's a horrible person, I'm saying this is a fun thing about his character.

Miles is annoyed with Gwen on the Spider Society tour.

And he has good reason to be! She's been brushing him and his questions off. Back in Mumbattan she said she should've "never come to see him." And he's finding out that she lied to him--for instance, about the "small elite strike force" actually being a huge society.

I feel like a lot of people don't notice it because he's not letting it show too obviously. I think he's trying to brush off his annoyance and keep a positive attitude, but it still shows in his actions. And in the script:

And, of course, the most obvious:

And I wanna pause before I get to the whole Miles-Margo flirting thing to take a step back: the reason why this is important to me is because Miles isn't stupid and Miles isn't an always-positive ray of sunshine. It's clear that at this point, he's clocked that Gwen is lying to him. And he realizes that she's treating him badly. He's not oblivious, he's just choosing to not pick a fight with her about it right then and there. Even then, he's not just rolling over and taking the bad treatment, he's just reacting to it in a more subtle way.

...Which brings me to the flirting.

Now, the LAST thing I want to imply is that Margo is a tool for Miles and Gwen to use. Those that know my blog know I love Margo. I think she's a great character in her own right, and she doesn't just exist as a plot point to further ghostflower's agenda--it's clear metatextually that this moment served at least partially to introduce her as a character that will be important next movie, as a member of the Spider-Band.

Even beyond that, I don't think Miles was faking his interest in her. I mean, we all saw his spider-sense go off, and I don't think it's just because "they're all spider-man." I believe they were both genuinely interested in each other and sparked a connection there.

That said.

I also believe Miles noticed how Gwen reacted to it. And maybe dug his heels in further than he would've otherwise, to get more of a reaction out of her.

I mean, we all know Miles is down bad for Gwen. If he hadn't been annoyed with her at the moment, I think he would've been a lot more receptive to "keeping moving" like she wanted to, simply because he's usually really attentive to her being upset. He tries to make her feel better. But this time, he doesn't. In the movie proper, he ignores her to keep talking with Margo. In the script, he literally physically follows Margo:

You guys see what I mean, right? It's the same as acting super invested in the anomalies right after Gwen claimed they weren't interesting. It's resisting Gwen and what she wants. Something he usually never does.

This! Is! Important! To! Me! Because I think it shows that Miles has a higher awareness and independence than people give him credit for in these scenes! He's not just running around enthusiastically, not knowing about the lion's den he's walking into. He knows something is up. He knows he's being treated unfairly. And he's not just forgiving it and letting it go--he's addressing it, in his own subtle way.

Anyway, I think that on the Gwen side of things, he's mostly annoyed at her because he feels she's devaluing their close relationship with the way she's acting (because she is). So flirting with Margo is kind of rubbing that exact same behavior back in Gwen's face.

And it works, because he gets a reaction out of Gwen that reinforces that she cares about their relationship--he annoys her. She literally yanks him away from Margo. And based on the way he reacts to that, I think he's pretty happy with that reaction. Because he forced Gwen to acknowledge that she cares about him and values their relationship like he does.

(most pixelated screenshot known to man but you get my point. anyway)

Did Ekko try to take Jinx away after the bridge fight ?

I'm heavily medicated right now, so bear with me.

I've seen a lot of theories about how the ash on Jinx's face is smudged and all, so I looked at the shots very carefully, it could be smudged BUT. I looked at it so much that I missed the obvious. Her whole body is a different place and position ! And now we know Ekko was actually there. Nobody else was until Silco arrived.

Look:

1. How Jinx looked after the explosion both at the end of 1×7 and in Ekkos memories.

2. How Silco found her. Forget the ash and look at the hair, it's away from her face and her arm is down. I took the screens before he touched her at all.

3.Position of her arm over her belly as if she had been carried.

Now for the location.

4. This is where Ekko found her, right next to the line. Notice her hair over her head.

5 and 6, this is where Silco found her, further away on the bridge, and her hair is down, again, as if she was carried and put down.

7. I know I'm right, validate me please.

Did somebody already point this out and I'm a moron ? Well...

the most romantic thing to ever happen in tfota is cardan living in the room meant for the ruler's lover

KMS.

*Margo and Miles just existing in the same room with many other spider-people*

Fans: "OMG! THE TENSION! LOOK! MILES JUST LOOKED AT HER FOR 0000,1 SECOND! THEY ARE SOOO ENDGAME!"

Pavitr: "What about Miles and Gw-"

Fans: "Don't bring that betraying jealous snowbunny into this!"

Pavitr, Hobie and literally everyone with mind: "...."

Look i don't wanna sit here and get up on my soapbox and start being preachy but i just find it funny how certain sections of the fandom treats TB and by extension Ekko and how that ultimately just shows an underlying problem in shipping culture that honestly only seems to have gotten worse.

TB is such a impactful ship at least in my opinion because i feel as though this is one of the rare occasions where a ship staring a black character is not only loved and praised but also has a view in the mainstream. Most of the time black character when involved with shipping are either cast aside, mistreated or used as a stepping stone for the white character to find their "True Love" so to see TB be loved and praised is genuinely such a amazing and important thing to see and how some of this community reacts to them has shown me that despite this love there is still a major problem with Anti-Blackness.

Now I'm not saying that you have to ship TB or that your Anti-black/racist if you ship them with other characters but from some of the stuff i've seen it seems like its less about the fact that you don't like ship and more about the fact that you don't like Ekko and specifically you don't like Ekko with Jinx. The way some people try remove the importance Ekko has in Jinx's life at this point comes off a malicious. We have people out here describing Ekko as "some random black boy she knew" and it's like okay that's such a one layered look at their relationship and when he is granted the privilege of being apart of her life by some people his role is minimized and relegated to "oh well he is there and he was a small part of it but her ACTUAL motivation was...." and listen, you could make the argument that he wasn't the only thing that spurred her into action but to sit here and act like he didn't have a large impact on her and her subsequent call to action is just lame.

Now S2 in general can be looked at as the blame for why his impact is questioned by some people and i won't lie and not act like seeing them in a couple more scenes together wouldn't have been nice and just seeing Ekko in general more wouldn't have been nice but considering the fact that this community loves to analyze things to the bone i just find it a bit odd how apparently this specific relationship is looked at on such a surface level by some people. Ya'll will sit here and analyze eye movements but then call the bridge fight "just a cool scene" and ignore the weight and impact of it. Ya'll will sit here gush about this loving and deep connection Jinx forms with Isha who she's known for no less then 3 months but apparently her childhood befriend/enemy/crush/lover is just a open and shut book.

One thing that really bothers me as well and I'm gonna use Mel in this section is that her and Ekko are not allowed to be loved. What i mean by this is that the love that their respective partners have for them is always called into doubt. Jayce's love for Mel is doubted because "Well she manipulated him" and that she was just using him and Jinx's love for Ekko is doubted by "oh well she's to mentally unstable to feel that way towards him" and "she tried to kill him" as if a good 85% of the arcane cast hasn't tried to kill or at least physically harm the people they care about. Ekko and Mel are not allowed to be yearned after and loved by the two of the favs of the show despite the fact they are are in fact yearned and loved by these favs. Jinx is over here drawing hearts around this man every chance she gets, her voice lines in game towards him, drawing his symbol on her stuff. Jayce despite all the chaos automoically going to check on Mel and see if she's okay, his voice lines towards her in game and yet despite all this, some of the fandom just can't seem to fathom that their favs are in love with a black character.

Idk man, maybe I'm reading to deep into this all and maybe I'm just yelling into the void but i just find it odd how all these doubts and excuses and reasons for why it wouldn't work only seem to get brough up for ships that involve a black character and a usually white fav.

prettiest boy of zaun and some stinky criminal (she's so crazy he loves her) wip for timebomb zine⌚💣

Timebomb Preparing for War

Ekko: Should we head over to Piltover now or let them suffer for a bit? *Both laugh* Ekko: Okay, serious question this time – what do you want me to draw on you?

I miss them