I’m Thinking About Wicked Tonight, Specifically Why Elphaba Ends Up With Fiyero Instead Of Glinda In

I’m thinking about Wicked tonight, specifically why Elphaba ends up with Fiyero instead of Glinda in the musical despite Elphaba and Glinda having the more well-rounded relationship.

You could chalk it up to the writers wanting a heteronormative ending (and I’m certain that’s part of it) or the fact that Elphaba and Fiyero had a love affair in the book. But I think there’s a bit more nuance to it.

The whole point of Glinda’s character is that she upholds the status quo of Oz. No matter how much she loves Elphaba or sympathizes with the plight of the Animals, she will always align herself with the current system and those in power. And as long as that remains the case, a relationship between her and Elphaba is futile because Elphaba will not give up her cause.

Elphaba and Glinda represent to different ends of a spectrum. Elphaba resists the oppressive forces in Oz, while Glinda upholds them. But Fiyero is somewhere in the middle. He starts out privileged and carefree like Glinda, but quickly turns to Elphaba’s side. He does become Captain of the Guard, but only to find Elphaba and help her evade arrest.

And therein lies the difference between Glinda and Fiyero as love interests to Elphaba. Glinda would never sacrifice her title as “the Good Witch” and all her power granted from the Wizard, even if it meant helping Elphaba. Fiyero, on the other hand, does give up his privilege, his title, and even his human form for Elphaba. Glinda clings to what the status quo gives her, while Fiyero ultimately rejects it.

Yes, the writing around Elphaba and Fiyero’s romance is a bit rushed and doesn’t have the same gradual development that Elphaba and Glinda have. And yes, I have no doubt heteronormativity played a role in giving Elphaba a male love interest in the end. But I see a lot of people write off Fiyero and his relationship with Elphaba and I just don’t agree.

Why does Elphaba end up with Fiyero instead of Glinda? Because Fiyero makes the sacrifices that Glinda wasn’t willing to.

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1 month ago

please say your thoughts about camp jupiter and specifically any like any headcanons or ideas you have about nr, the characters, their relationships and backgrounds, literally anything!!! i am a fellow cj enthusiast and would absolutely LOVE to hear your thoughts on it <3

-@brooklyn-house

okay okay I didn't answer this for WEEKS I'm super sorry my head was so empty and I got hyper fixated in another fandom, so I didn't want to deliver half assed answers, but I'm back!! recharged lol

• new rome/camp jupiter probably has a million secret entrances to different places, that probably only reyna knows of.

• octavian was actually friends with jason and Reyna when they were little kids but he grew to be evil and they became frenemies.

• jason and reyna spent basically all their time tgt going to different historical locations, if jason was assigned a quest he'd be like ‘can reyna go with me please?’ because they'd use it as an excuse to tour places and talk about history.

• jason definitely had other best or atleast close friends in cj or nr in general, apart from reyna. and I feel like that person knows him too well (maybe even more than reyna does) and after his death they cried their heart out, and nobody knows that they were close friends. this friend/friends have so many letters and things jason wrote to them.

• baby jason and reyna would love to try on the armours that were put on the statues in cj and would run around with it. they were definitely rebel kids.


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1 month ago

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"I Was Gonna Say You're Like A Son To Me.. But You're More Than That."

How quickly that shoulder pat of comfort turned into a condescending one.


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2 weeks ago

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2 months ago
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2 months ago

Do the gale force soldiers witness Fiyero’s transformation? Or do they leave him tied up and come back for Torture part 2: For Bad in the morning/after a coffee break then panic because

a. someone’s obviously used the clothes of their mostly dead ex-captain to make a creepy scarecrow decoy, suggesting the real Fiyero has miraculously escaped in his underwear,

b. they believe they’ve forgotten where they put him, because there are so many other scarecrows (a frankly ridiculous amount!) already in that cornfield, Fiyero’s body blends right in and it takes all day to check them all and come up unnervingly empty. (Oops! All scarecrows!) Prompting the soldiers to check them all again and again “How could you forget?” “Why did you have to tie a sack over his very recognisable face?” “You told me to?!” “Stop gaslighting me!” Etc

c. free space

d. they did see the transformation and it terrified them so much they scarpered to the nearest pub and drank to forget

a.a. they assume Elphaba has taken their dead guy, wholesale, “What do you even do with a dead prince?” “Bury him I guess,” “Use his bones for evil spells,” “I would put the dead prince in an ornately crafted glass coffin in the woods, so that the Winkies and woodland Animals can pay their respects and gaze upon his beautiful face.” … “Except we beat his face up.” “Yeah we beat his face up.”

I’m suffering the thought equivalent of zoomies I’m so so sorry

Loolll Firstly I got a good chuckle out of Torture part 2: For Bad, so thank you for that!

Honestly I've always thought option D - that they did see his transformation for several reasons:

They're supposed to torture Fiyero "until he tells us where the witch went" and (despite the fact that they do know where Elphaba is by March of the Witch Hunters - I think she's beyond being subtle at that point, and she does have good defences) I just can't believe Fiyero would ever tell them, he'd die first. So I do not think they are done with the torturing when he's transformed.

You have to remember that these are Fiyero's men. Guards who have worked under Fiyero, probably considered him a friend, and all along he has been betraying them and working for the Witch. They are probably not the most pleasant people in the first place and they are angry. I don't think any of them are giving up for a coffee break until he's done what they want and is dead

I actually think she casts the spell pretty fast? Like wishing for his flesh not to be torn and to not be feeling pain when he's beaten, is going to be pretty redundant more than 10 minutes after Fiyero has been captured (like it's obviously long enough for there to be some possibility for him to be "already dead or bleeding" but there's also a chance of his survival)? I imagine she got to the nearest safe place and cast. And Elphaba doesn't even cast the spell for that long before giving up and falling into despair so yeah, I imagine the men see it

They would want the body. There's a lot of power displaying tortured Fiyero to Oz whether it be "look what the Witch did to our beloved Prince" or "look what happens to traitors" it sends a message to the Ozians. I can't imagine them going without it if they can help it (and the fact they do come back empty handed and presumably lie about what happened to Morrible, can't have impressed her much)

Why doesn't the scarecrow get caught later then? I imagine the guards still don't necessarily know he's turned into a scarecrow - I imagine they ran away the moment the freaky magic started happening (and again, lied about the success of their murder when questioned by their superiors). There's also a non zero chance that, when they were taking a stiff drink after it all, Elphaba all "no good deed will i do again" returned to the field, found no Fiyero and the guards drinking (she presumes in celebration) and just burnt them all to death.

Thanks for the question! It was fun to specuate!


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2 months ago

I have this headcanon that Daring and Briar are that one purely platonic duo where they bond over being too pretty for this world. They’ll never admit it or say it out loud cause they know its rude but every now and then they’ll go to a coffee shop together and silently judge people together. Like they’ll be eyeing someone’s outfit and silently eye each other as if to say “we’re in agreement when I say that skirt and pair boots are just not it together right?” “Oh yeah absolutely!” They 100% help each other take pictures for each other’s instagram too.

Also, you CANNOT convince me that they dont bond over being the oldest sibling. Look, it seem like siblings in the world of ever after are pretty rare in general (let alone having more than one sibling), so you know damn well that when someone brings up the topic of siblings and almost everyone in the room is like “can’t relate”, the two will simultaneously be like “lol I can” and then just go off about how as the oldest sibling, its easy to love your younger sibling and yet find them the most annoying person in the world at the same time.

And to top it off I absolutely love the idea that after the events of Epic winter, Briar started giving Daring advice on how to inpress Rosabella. Like the day before Daring went to meet Rosabella’s parents, he was relentlessly freaking out. Being Rosabella’s cousin, Briar was just there like “Dude…Relax! Everyone in my family is super chill. Look, I know your parents expect alot from you, but My Aunt and Uncle are not like that. They dont care who Rosabella is dating so as long as they’re a good person. You dont have to try so hard to impress them….If anything they’re gonna find it awkward when they catch you trying too hard to impress them”.


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1 month ago

Concept: Jason hates being in charge but Camp Jupiter keeps putting him in charge.

Jason’s whole battle with leadership is that he’d rather do literally anything else than be in charge of these idiots.

He hates the way camp jupiter is run and does all he can to abolish harmful traditions and rework the system.

And if you think Camp Jupiter would hate that then you’d be wrong.

Sure most of them don’t agree with his policies at all but even his most vocal competitors can’t deny that things run better when Jason’s in charge.

And unfortunately rather then adopt his principles or ideals and fix the issues they’re creating. They instead choose to keep voting him in.

So that Jason can fix everything and he hates it.

But it’s not like he has much of a choice when things are getting tough out there. And the entire 5th legion are trying to bribe him back into power.

Jason’s a great and effective leader, and it pisses him off. And oh sure he could be horrible while in charge but he’s got these pesky things called morals.

He wished the others would get some already.

Jason jumped for joy when Reyna showed up and managed to secure her place as Praetor. Because finally someone else who is a good and effective leader who won’t fall into corruption.

He celebrated for all of 5 seconds before Reyna reminded him she needed a co-Praetor and wouldn’t accept anyone else but him.

Basically Jason’s Praetor-ship is the equivalent of that one poor soul carrying the group project. And sure Reynas here too and now both of them have to carry it.

Percy’s very confused because he knows how horrible it is to feel replaced. So of course he resigned as Praetor immediately when he realised Jason was returning.

And sure he wasn’t expecting him to like that he almost replaced him…but why does guy look like he’s about to kill him where he stands?

Percy asks Reyna because erm I thought you said he was the nice one. And Reyna, barely holding back her laughter says not to worry about it.

Octavian straight up surrenders because he can’t deal with these idiots anymore. He actually hates them more than the Greeks what is wrong with them?!

And Jason just nods sympathetically while also laughing because oh buddy you think this is bad? You haven’t seen anything yet.


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2 months ago

Fiyero (about Boq): I call my boyfriend “Bambi”.

Fiyero: he thinks it’s because he’s cute with his brown eyes.

Fiyero: little does he know, I want someone to shoot his father with a rifle.


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3 weeks ago

aromanticism. you agree. reblog


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2 weeks ago
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