I agree! The reality is that all these authors have bias but if it’s in favour of Paul McCartney it’s ok because he’s seen as being victimised by the rock journalists of an earlier era. Erin Torkelson Weber has a quote I’ve often seen here that just because something came later it’s not necessarily untrue. But the important thing to keep in mind is it’s not necessarily true either. Paul McCartney has a huge advantage over John Lennon in that when he tells his story, the emotions of the situation have settled which makes him seem like a more rational source, unlike John who was still working through his emotions in the 70s as the events were still in recent memory. Paul has also had time to think about how to make his story palatable to today’s audiences where times have changed, which John never had given he died 40 years ago. He also has his legacy to preserve and of course will twist things to his advantage as who is going to challenge him? Yoko is ill and Sean doesn’t know the full story as he was only 5 when his dad died. I just think people need to think critically about this and realise that just because this is the latest version of events doesn’t necessarily make it true. The truth is always something in between
Erin Torkelson Weber, The Beatles and the Historians
I love your stories and the Rise and Fall of John Lennon is one of my fav stories in the fandom. It was such a great mix of humiliation, angst, fluff and intimacy. I really hope you continue with your stories. I’ve never re read a story more than that one lol
i might elaborate later but fanfic replies literally develop writer’s metacognition and make them better writers
This whole quote is hilarious. I know Paul is a smart man so it’s frustrating to see him will fully misunderstood John’s quotes. When he talked about the Beatles being bastards, he’s referring to the fact that they had to be tough and have think skins to withstand the hard core Hamburg days and the insane beatlemania days to make it and survive. And he wasn’t always dark about the Beatles. Yes he was dark in the early days when he was hurting but he mellowed so much through the 70s. It makes me understand why John didn’t trust Paul given his willingness to undermine John in subtle ways so he could get ahead. Also if he’s referencing cynicism and darkness, why does George get a pass. That man was far more bitter about his Beatle days but of course Paul doesn’t view George as his competitor in the same way he does John
Q: Do you have days now when you never once think of the Beatles?
PAUL MCCARTNEY: Oh, yeah. Most days. When the Beatles broke up it was painful to talk about. It was just hard. So you found yourself thinking about it. Now, having come all this way, I can remember only the good stuff. I know one or two spicy stories and I have my bitch now and again, but generally I always did dig it; I always did think that what we were doing was great. Even when we broke up, I never thought like John did. Who knows why he thought that! John’s pretty complex. He possibly didn’t even mean it. All the stuff about how we were “bastards”… He brought out the worst side, as if to exorcise it. But I really didn’t agree. It was pretty good, you know. But there are days when I don’t think about it because I’m doing all sorts of other stuff.
— Paul McCartney, Rolling Stone, March 30th 1979
Yes!! Beautiful Johnny led via the fact that he inspired deep love in his friends
[THE BEATLES: GET BACK] John Lennon sharing his opinion on Martin Luther King Jr's most famous speech to George Harrison and Paul McCartney. S1.E2.
Dear friend! We already know his thoughts on Coming up from a few interviews and the same for Too Many People. I don’t entirely buy that Call Me Back Again is a McLennon song. But Dear Friend is 100 percent about John and given it came during a period of infighting, I want to know what John truly felt hearing that for the first time. Can I get Paul reacting to I Know, I Know as a bonus? And both of them reacting to I Don’t Know (Johnny, Johnny)?
If you could be a fly on the wall when John listens to a song for the first time, which one of the following songs would you choose and why?
Too Many People
Dear Friend
Call Me Back Again
Coming Up
If you could choose another song, that isn’t listed above, which one would you choose and why?
I love this side to Johnny. I especially love him throwing his school report through the window and riding away on his bike to avoid getting into trouble. I could definitely see myself doing that just to avoid the conflict lol
“John can be very tender. I know he has this reputation for being cynical and sharp, but I know him better. I know that beneath all that, he can be very warm. He asks how I am, how my health is, how the weather’s like…Then we’ll start to talk about the old days. The last time he was on, we started talking about his schooldays and the time he came home on the last day of term with his school report. He just rode up to the kitchen window on his bike, threw the report in and shouted, ‘im off out.’ I knew it must be a bad report, so I chased after him, shouting, ‘You come back here this minute, John Lennon,’ but he was off. We had a good laugh about that over the phone. I think, in a way, he’s a little bit lonely…”
- Aunt Mimi Smith (c. 1977) in The Dream Is Over: Off The Record 2 by Keith Badman (pg. 216)
100 percent agree. People aren’t even allowed to change. That’s the sad part
i know you're done with this topic, but i just want to get some things out of my system: you're right in saying that kids don't care about women/victims and i bet they have no idea about what cynthia, may or yoko etc have had to say about that subject and they wouldn't care to find out anyway. plus: what happened to the concept of restorative justice? i guess the kids aren't aware of it, but the whole "cancelling" philosophy is pretty silly anyway. i don't think kids on twitter/tik tok have the right to destroy someone's life and/or legacy forever because of colossal mistakes they made in the past, no matter how big and serious they were... kids seem to believe they do have that right nowadays, but that only serves to stroke their ego, to make them believe in their moral superiority. but is that behavior actually changing the fucking world? is that feminist activism? is that helping change men's systemic treatment of us? no, it isn't, but if kids want to continue to be self-indulgent and childish, so be it.
I am done with this topic but this was a nice ask so I’m posting it :)
I’m also so immune to internet activism thinking that calling a dead guy a wifebeater makes them woke or that disliking his annoying ass wife is misogynistic or whatever. When you’re actually doing things to try and help disenfranchised women, like I was doing before the pandemic, you’re just open to a whole new reality. It’s insane how whole movements have been reduced to jokes bc of this type of """activism""". Like, my 15yo tiktok addicted sister genuinely can’t hear the word feminism without laughing and tbh, I’m pretty close to that as well. How activism, instead of actively and practically trying to improve people’s lives, became a fucking punchline. Like yeah, this guy was violent to women decades ago. He was shot dead in front of his house. There, misogyny solved, except for the fifteen thousand jokes about his abuse (making fun of the victims!) and the fact he died from gun violence.
This isn’t a shitpost though. It’s a literal play by play of what happened between these 2 idiots. I wonder if Paul lies in bed late at night and regrets not taking John up on his offer of a repeat performance?
Paul: "You just sort of see us, what we're doing..." "It's unbelievable, you know?"
Subtext: Boy did we act completely abnormally in India!
George: "What were you doing?"
Subtext: You and John have been acting extremely weirdly since India, what the hell happened between you guys there???"
John: "Yes, what were we doing?"
Subtext: Yes George, something significant *did* happen between Paul and I but we're not going to explicitly tell you what it was.
Paul: "I don't really know, you know?" "But it's like, we totally sort of put our own personalities under for the sake of it..."
Subtext: I do not want to address what happened between us in India, as far as I'm concerned it wasn't the "real" us anyway so I'm not going to acknowledge it, you can't make me!
John: "Who was writing all them songs?"
Subtext: Nice try Paul, if it wasn't really us how did we write all those songs while we were in India???
Paul: "Oh that was- that was..."
Subtext: Damn, you got me there!
John: "In the room..."
Subtext: Don't push me Paul, I'll happily tell George about what we got up to in the privacy of your room...
Paul: "Yeah right, I remember yeah..."
Subtext: I remember *exactly* what happened John, do not say another word!!!!
George: "Do you regret having gone there?"
Subtext: Since neither of you will tell me what the hell happened, can you at least tell me whether it was worth it??? Was it good or bad???
Paul: "No no, oh no no"
Subtext: No I don't regret it, I just never want to acknowledge it ever again
John: "I don't regret anything... ever..." *Intense simulation of d*ck s*cking while staring intensely at Paul*
Subtext: Well, judging from the fact you can barely string a coherent sentence together, I clearly blew your mind... Literally. If you want a repeat performance you know where I am ;)