..๐˜–๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฎ๐˜บ, ๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ'๐˜ด ๐˜ข ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜บ

susidark - Dark Rose
susidark - Dark Rose

..๐˜–๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฎ๐˜บ, ๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ'๐˜ด ๐˜ข ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜บ

๐˜ง๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ฃ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ฃ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด..

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Omae: Complexity of Self-Expression and Intimacy with the Japanese โ€œYouโ€

The anime adaption of chapter 322 is rapidly approaching, so I wanna talk about something really interesting: as far as I can tell, Izuku is the only person Katsuki has ever used the pronoun omae (ใŠใพใˆ) towards in-canon. Furthermore, he has only used omae towards Izuku on three occasions.

The first time is after Deku vs. Kacchan 2 in chapter 120.

Omae: Complexity Of Self-Expression And Intimacy With The Japanese โ€œYouโ€

The second time is right after his apology in chapter 322. (Katsuki actually uses omae four times in a row in this scene.)

Omae: Complexity Of Self-Expression And Intimacy With The Japanese โ€œYouโ€

(We'll get to the third time later, just you wait.)

Why does Katsuki address Izuku differently in these scenes? To answer this, weโ€™re gonna commit some language nerdery.

First, letโ€™s be real about the fact that Japanese pronouns can be complicated. There are a ton of them. You learn the common usesโ€”like you could say that, broadly, omae tends to be used by guys for their friends and romantic partners. But the reality is that in a high-context language like Japanese, pronouns can come across wildly differently depending on who uses it, to whom, with what tone, and in what context.

It is difficult to generalize real-life usage, so to be clear, I am talking about MHA as a piece of media. I could try to tell you that omae is rude but also friendly but also condescending but also comedic but also confrontational but also affectionateโ€”and so on, but that wouldnโ€™t help you understand what Katsukiโ€™s omae to Izuku means and why it feels significant.

The thing is, Izuku and Katsuki can each say omae and mean completely different things, because their normal way of speaking tells us how to interpret their words.

When Izuku speaks, he is polite and considerate. He uses the boyish first-person pronoun boku (ๅƒ•). In Japanese, avoiding second-person pronouns is the polite thing to do; you use the personโ€™s surname and an appropriate suffix instead, and this is the tactic Izuku uses to address others. When he does say โ€œyou,โ€ it is usually the familiar kimi (ๅ›) towards Katsuki.

We see Izuku use omae in only a few circumstances: he uses it towards himself during inner monologues when he is trying to figure out what to do or compel himself to act, and he uses it when he faces All For One.

Both of these involve what I think of as โ€œtough talkโ€โ€”Izuku talks tough to himself to push past his fears and be a hero. With AFO, he is talking to a villain, someone he has to defeat. From someone like Izuku who speaks with such politeness and humility, omae reads as aggressive and confrontational.

Katsuki, on the other hand, is always aggressive and confrontational. He uses the masculine, somewhat boastful first-person pronoun ore (ไฟบ) and the second-person pronoun temee (ใฆใ‚ใˆ) towards just about everybody. Temee is an extremely rude, combative word; Japanese descriptions usually point out that it reads like fightinโ€™ wordsโ€”itโ€™s what youโ€™d call an opponent, someone you are confronting, challenging, or belittling. As mentioned, youโ€™re supposed to avoid โ€œyouโ€ words to be polite, so the fact that Katsuki whips out temee constantly and makes up insulting nicknames instead of using anybodyโ€™s real name is just like, damn, dude!

Unlike Izuku, Katsuki sounds like he is challenging everyone all the time. This means that, coming from him, omae actually seems gentler.

After Deku vs. Kacchan 2, he opens his sentence with omae, and Izuku looks startled by this.

Omae: Complexity Of Self-Expression And Intimacy With The Japanese โ€œYouโ€

They just had a huge, emotional fistfight, and Katsukiโ€ฆ isnโ€™t addressing him as an opponent, like he always has before. For once, he is addressing Izuku not as his enemy, but his equal.

This scene is the first time Katsuki properly grapples with the truth of their mutual weaknesses and comes to an understanding about it. It leaves him frustrated and unsure, but he walks away seeing himself and Izuku as being on the same side.

Because he takes All Might's words to heart: they are two halves of what makes a hero. They need to learn from each other and push each other to truly reach their bestโ€”as rivals, not enemies.

In chapter 322, Katsuki talks Izuku through how he felt about him all these years. He goes over all the things he's had to face to see how wrong he was, to see his own weakness and Izuku's strength. The whole time, he uses the "you" word he always has: temee.

But when it comes time to tell Izuku his true feelings, he calls Izuku by his given name, apologizes, and then right away he says this:

Omae: Complexity Of Self-Expression And Intimacy With The Japanese โ€œYouโ€

This is a direct call-back to the core question that Katsuki posed to Izuku during Deku vs. Kacchan 2: "Is my way of admiring All Might wrong?"

The second half to that question has always been, implicitly, "Does that mean yours is right?"

Here, Katsuki acknowledges Izuku fully as All Might's successor and affirms that Izuku's path is not wrong, using omae to tell him so. And then he uses it three more times to convince Izuku to come back with them and fight together, "because saving people is how we win."

To me, omae in this scene comes across with such softness. He's speaking with more humility than we've ever seen, both in what he's conveying and his word choice. (There is a whole other conversation to be had about Katsuki's word choice for "I'm sorry," but that is for a different time.)

This omae is not just a sign that he sees Izuku as his equal, it's expressing care for him. Katsuki sacrificed his life for Izuku, telling him, "Stop trying to win this on your own." He is trying so hard to make Izuku understand: Come back, I was wrong. Come back, I care about you.

Which brings us to the third time Katsuki uses omae: chapter 362.

Omae: Complexity Of Self-Expression And Intimacy With The Japanese โ€œYouโ€

That's right, the infamous "Can I still catch up to you?" / "Can I still reach you?" line uses omae.

Here's the thing that's unique about this omae: it's in Katsuki's head. This is internal monologue; he isn't talking out loud to Izuku, he isn't trying to convey something to him face-to-face, he is just thinking about Izuku.

The word choice isn't for anyone else's benefit or any external purpose: this is just how Katsuki sees him.

I can't overstate how soft, vulnerable, and sincere this moment is for Katsuki. And what gets me about him thinking of Izuku as omae is, it makes me wonder, "How long has he thought of Izuku this way?"

When did Izuku stop being temee in his head?

Changing how you address someone is a big deal in Japanese. Whether it's a name or suffix change (Deku -> Izuku) or a pronoun change (temee -> omae), it represents a significant shift in the emotional dynamics of a relationship.

It crops up a lot in media as a dramatic moment of intimacy, sometimes even being a part of love confessions. This heightened drama is exactly what we see with Katsuki's apology when he calls him Izuku.

Katsuki addresses only Izuku with his given name and omae, and in the whole run of the series, he only uses omae in a few select instances. I would argue that this is really important, subtle character writing.

Looking at the scenes, at least to me, each omae reads as progressively more honest and intimate. Each time Katsuki uses it, he is reaching for Izuku. Each time, it means more.

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