Yeah well Rey Solo or Rey Skywalker means she wouldnt have earned it...Well she didn't earn it anyway. She is a slave and yet she can speak a dozen languages, an expert pilot, skilled martials artist, genius mechanic, and force prodigy while inhering the Falcon, Chewie, The Skywalker Saber, and R2-D2? So she got everything I assume and learned all her skills with as much training as she got in the Force I assume so 1 week? 2 weeks? She is 100% self taught but such retcons are okay “Will of the Force” Who needs training.
"rian killed luke to give rey his legacy. they really did that." meanwhile he could have just followed through with what JJ set up in TFA and confirmed ReySky and then she would have BEEN the HEIR to the Skywalker legacy anyway. ugh.
yeah but instead she just gets handed it because she just happened to be at the right place at the right time? “all is as the force wills it” I guess but it seems so cheap to just give the skywalker legacy away like that for no actual reason.
Hulking and Wiccan were pretty good.
Hardly a new team we were promised its the same team minus half the members. Now I suppose knowing marvel. Spider-girl, Power Man, Thundestrike and Lyra would be the most likely members. Given the theme.
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Really Heinberg, Patriot quit again. First Drugs now this. Seriously talk about character destruction. Just what we need more of black males quitting.
Still not happy about Eli, this maxi series did not do one positive thing for the character at all. It would have been better if he did nothing which is pretty much what Hulking did. I think he was right too on repowering. U cannot simply randomly give mutants their powers back. First, Some might not want it back so its Wanda playing God again. Second, u got to figure lets say 100 out of ever Million are a cyclops random repowering causes widespread destruction.
Clearly once again JJ is too blame for that as well. We go the apparent First Jedi Temple and learn jack and shit about the First Jedi Order. I suppose Luke learns about transcendent mode in those old books? Although why he be reading those books when has given up the Force doesn't make a lick of sense to me.
The worse part to me is Kylo telling Rey she is nobody? Really that will do jack and shit to shut down parentage rumors because Kylo is a fucking classic unreliable narrator. So how does he get this info you ask? He apparently gets the information Snoke who is also an unreliable narrator. How does Snoke get this info who the fuck knows but you know what is dumb, Snoke having this info and not acting on it. Lets assume Snoke knows and is telling truth why the frak would Snoke not go pick up a readily available Special Snowflake Force Unicorn. That he can basically mold from childhood unlike Kylo and who prime recruitment target since she is on a backwater planet struggling to survive? Bonus points since Rey would have no connection to the Skywalkers she best less likely to I don't know hesitates killing Han, Luke and Leia off for you.
And apparently the Force tree and its contents aren’t explained either 😂😂😂
Don't get me wrong I didn't like the Rey Attack either I am just saying you can squint and explain where there is nothing that mitigates this one at all in my book. Yeah Finn’s backstory in no way calls for Comic Relief in my book. If they wanted this they never should have used Child Soldier background.
I keep thinking about how we were given the impression that Finn and Rose’s story would be a cool team up and that Rose would think he’s a Big Deal, but the storybook leaks basically give us a completely different dynamic, one where Rose drags an unwilling Finn around by the collar and scolds him for even trying to leave, and keeps him from leaving by force, and I hate that. I really hate that. It’s like the weak and questionable parts of Finn and Rey’s interaction before Harrison got injured and JJ reshot some stuff and changed their dynamic going forward because the antagonistic stuff wasn’t working. So why copypaste that bad dynamic that JJ already famously decided needed to be fixed? Actually make it worse? Bleh.
I am annoyed how they always crap on the PT Jedi yes they screwed up in the end but they kept it together for 1000 Generations or 20,000 years or so that is pretty good record. Luke couldn't even make it to 20.
But yeah the idea Luke would totally copy the Old Jedi Order and make no changes is just weird.
Why do people believe that Luke’s Jedi Order would be the exact same as the Old Jedi Order?
I second this just tough it out people. I already saw a Spanish version linked online so if you can understand Spanish you can watch that everyone else can just wait a few days and torrent it.
ill say if ur like me and havent watched the movie and are on the fence about watching it even tho ur thinking “ya i hate it but i miss finn and poe”… i get you, i understand you, but please try and not watch it. you know at the end of the day what hurts disney is their bottom line (and their reputation but less so). at the very least tell ur friends and family who are casual (or not at all) fans of star wars to not see the movie. dont buy their merch. dont support them at all. we want them to know that no one liked this film. no one was interested in watching this racist bs and the only language they speak is $$$ so hit them where it hurts.
Pretty Much JJ is iffy honestly the biggest problems were Finn lacked in skills compared to Rey. Rey was overloaded She has the Force, She can fight (Finn should be better here) in Martial Arts, She can fly, she is mechanic and she is multilingual. Spread the love out I wanted them both to have the force so let him be a pilot or a mechanic. Beyond that problems are Poe naming (iffy), animal through (remove the animal), Rey/BB-8 tazing Finn (again Finn should win here), Rathars capture (delete all this), Chewie (remove), losing to TR-8R (no put Phasma here). But Finn basically drove the plot and was a clear lead so plus points for that.
RJ though just no Finn is treated with no respect from the jump because RJ didn't want to do payoff for Finn and wanted to suck Kylo’s Dick. He wakes up banging his head, running around leaking water like a fool and then getting tazed by Rose? This is how you treat a Hero of the Resistance? Really RJ? Then he goes on a worthless side plot where Rose takes the lead and treats him like a child? Where the fail essentially over a parking violation? Gets tased again and they trust DJ who is just waiting for them? The Phasma fight had nothing to it emotionally or physically. And the crait stuff...I didn't want him to die but even so Rose stopping him makes no sense and her lines so cringy considering her sister and Holdo.
seguun replied to your post: “The difference between JJ and RJ is the following: some of the things…”:
Eh I argue about JJ just making mistakes…the difference is more RJ double down hard even after the Finn stuff got criticism so he doesn’t get an excuse at all.
Yeah, JJ made mistakes…. RJ didn’t give a single fuck…
It fails on every possible level.
And apparently the Force tree and its contents aren’t explained either 😂😂😂
Finn (John Boyega) is even more underdeveloped, and “The Last Jedi” saddles him with a plot that has literally no impact on the actual course of the movie and provides him with no discernible character development: The whole thing could have been excised from the film, and the only difference would have been a zippier run time, a smaller special-effects budget and a tighter story.
they. sidelined. finn. (via paige-tic0)
Trust me he is still a lead said the lying bitch RJ. He sidelined him with comic relief bs while having Rey fantasize about Kylo and then tried to toss Rose at Finn to kill FinnRey. Look I dont have a problem with FinnRose in the abstract since but its clear the only reason Rose is here is to help make sure Finn fans dont get anything they want. No Force Powers (he has a random kid show powers as one last fuck you to Finn Fans). No Arc (despite lying about it). And Rose is there to try to make us forget about Rey so he can cram Reylo down our throats not for any progressive reason or because the relationship has real value. RJ went in the goal to emasculate Finn and Poe and prop up Kylo.
I am not surprised as far as I can tell RJ went Full EU in that he might be approaching the first Clone Wars Cartoon and StarKiller from Force Unleashed power levels. Basically, the POC are filler not just because their little side plot seems to have no major influence on the plot the First Order seems to win easily.
However, in choosing to dive so deep into Force Mythology and awesome Force powers, anyone without said powers is simply left in the dust. This is basically the EU towards the end with the exception of mostly Han with Boba Fett and Lando to a lesser extent who survived off being Legacy from the OT. Ergo because RJ decided to keep the Force White and couldn't be bothered to come up with a compelling side plot. Well its no wonder there is a few mentions of Finn, a couple more about Rose and none about Poe. Nothing they do is plot relevant and any action scenes they get are easily overshadowed but what sounds like God Level Force Users. Who wants to watch Finn vs Phasma in the B-Plot when it has no emotional resonance and doesn't even look as cool as the Force Fights? Even with a compelling side plot and no Force in something this Force Centric it would be hard but with a boring side plot, its impossible. B-Plot is there to move the plot forward and break up the Force Beats only. The Force Plot always tend to overshadow the non Force Plot. RJ seemingly did zilch to prevent it and probably didn't even care. Slapped Rose in for some diversity points, tossed Finn the bone of beating Phasma and probably gave Poe some nice space scenes. Called it a day.
Look, if people had come out of this movie saying Finn is amazing and mentioned the Finnrey reunion, and talked about the diversity, and made clear statements that Kylo remains the villain and about how kick ass feminist things are, I would be able to stomach Rey random. Not the way things seem now.
Great stuff basically RJ is lying bitch ass bastard. Finn basically has the same “arc” as last time just with less screen time and less plot relevance cause this time his actions are pointless. What he and Rose do on their adventure makes no difference, the only difference is this time Finn gets to beat Phasma. Poe has an irrelevant mutiny subplot that goes nowhere cause Holdo suicide rams her ship into the Supremacy proving she is good all along. Which changes nothing because it is all pointless as the Resistance is slaughtered until Rey, Finn, Poe, Leia and Rose are the only humans of note that remain. Rose ends in a coma saving Finn, how original RJ. Finn and Poe barely interact at all. But hey at least Poe meets Rey at the end. And guess what it ends with some random black kid (who you meet earlier for like a minute) showing the Force by pulling a Broom apparently. As an extra slap in the face I suppose to anyone who wanted Finn to have the Force. So yeah RJ shunts all the POC into worthless subplots that do not change or impact the plot at all. But basically goes look I am not racist this random black kid has the force who will never see again...wink wink. We get basically no Finn and Poe interaction or Finn, Poe, Rose and Rey interaction at all.
No wonder no one wants to talk about this stuff in the reviews. RJ put less then the bear minimum in this part of the plot. Not only is it a bad subplot nothing they do has any significant impact on the fucking plot. So basically all the diversity they patted them on the back for mostly consists of a fucking smokescreen cause they had to do something with the characters and couldn't fire them all. But dont kid yourself RJ doesn't give one solitary shit about them.
But hey he put the focus on a conflicted white male “bad boy”, had Rey swoon over his abs and character assassinated Luke Skywalker so greatest star wars movie since Empire.