THE LAST JEDI REY RANDOM

1 Token Black Guy (or any POC) and at least 2 White Dudes who look alike is CW Diversity. It can basically function as a meta commentary.

????????????????????????? i hate this post. also those two boys on the left are literally identical.

I don't even understand why they do it. Books don’t trump the movies...the only way to fix this mess is to simply go full on elseworld where this sequel takes place outside the Prime Universe. They cant retcon the trilogy via a book. I mean they cant just say it was all a dream or some bs. And fixing the problems requires a whole lot of work.

myrish-lace-love replied to your link: “Crazy Rumor Says Disney Is Fixing Star Wars: The Last Jedi”:

Could there be a clearer indication of bad movie making? I need a compendium to understand it? Put it on the damn screen in the first place.

Brick Brain Johnson probably thinks it’s a sign of how endlessly deep his incredible unbelievable masterpiece is…

RJ seems to have done whatever he wanted and ignored all hints for Finn and Rey. I think you covered Finn pretty well but I want expand on Rey.

1) She is inexplicably superpowered in the Force. No Skywalker Blood, No Palpatine Blood, No Kenobi Blood, No Immaculate Conception just two random parents. And she is this strong with one week max of training? Even Anakin couldn't beat Dooku with Kenobi and 10 years and he was the chosen one. I know some have defended her against Mary Sue but come on now...

2) Unkar just decides not to sell her? He was going to beat her up and steal BB-8 but wont cash in on a super strong Force Sensitive girl? Also how the frak do they know she has the Force this strong? Are midichlorians back? Did a knight of Ren drop by scan her and decide not to walk off with such a strong force user?

3) Rey has a random Force bond with Kylo, has the Skywalker lightsaber call to her, Dreams of the island Luke is on and outpulls said Skywalker lightsaber when fighting Kylo but has no connection to the Skywalker Family at all? And prior to TFA had never even met Kylo....how does that even make logical sense.

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seguun replied to your post “Should’ve listened to you. But I wanted to believe thst I would get…”

The worse part about Finn and Rose stuff is I am willing to bet it gets played for laughs. Rose probably wont even say Sorry. Beyond that the lack of comments on Finn, Poe and Rose tell me there stuff will be boring or limited or both. And the Reylo stuff seems somewhat legit since this is clearly the Kylo and Luke show. Reylo stuff means Rey is a Rando or Kenobi at best. So all in all I doubt I enjoy this. The only positive Finn stuff is he takes out Phasma..

Luke is the weirdest one though since no one seems to agree across all spoilers seems to agree with what goes down at the end. Force Ghost, Force Projection, Clone, Dead, Alive some combination who knows. But based on Mark’s comments, I doubt it end great for him. Snoke is a nobody probably. But consider me extra salty if Rey really is a Rando and all the Force Users are White in this one just because RJ, KK and LF decided to keep the Force White and the POC in the B-Plot

Yes, I am sure it will be played for laughs and a “meet cute” - it’s really sitcom.  Beyond the awfulness of what’s done to Finn’s character AGAIN which others have explained far better than I have - ffs he just got out of a coma and she zaps him to unconsciousness? It’s like knocking Han out after he was unfrozen in Jedi. Finn’s been through an unbelievable trauma, he’s off to find the one person he knows and cares about - and this new character I’m supposed to like comes and shocks him? It’s tone deaf on so many levels I can’t even believe someone decided this was a good idea (and what, the Resistance allows fellow soldiers to just attack people leaving? Really?) 

And the Poe stuff with Leia - I’m sorry, what? Leia is telling someone they’re being too reckless? Has she forgotten who her brother and husband are again? Or her own self?

Why haven’t we gotten much on Canto Bright - it’s supposed to be a big piece, right?

I can’t even comment on the Rey Rando stuff, it is too crappy for words (and I was for Rey Random - but not that awful story about her parents). Why go to the trouble of casting Daisy, who looks more like she’s the child of Harrison and Carrie or Mark and SkyMom than Adam Driver does - and then not make her related. If she’s a random, then why?

The Luke stuff is just awful, every bit I’ve seen is worse than the last. The visual dictionary saying he didn’t know about Han dying, him throwing the saber, the milk with the sloth (OMG, that sounds bad), refusing to train Rey, and on and on. Then how he’s supposed to die…and that he never sees Leia again? That proves that these directors don’t give one shit about the characters that aren’t Rey and Kylo.

Because, yes, let’s mention the whole bait and switch with Finn. Because we can argue about the screams on Takodano, because that is just badly put together. We can argue about who’s awakening, although it sure as hell looks like Finn.

But you cannot explain Maz giving Finn Luke’s saber when Han is STANDING RIGHT THERE and has a stronger claim to it by marriage. UNLESS FINN IS FORCE SENSITIVE. You just can’t - unless it’s just simply “well, we need to get the saber to the end of the movie so…congrats, Finn! But it doesn’t mean anything.”

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I would be concerned again especially since the comics was a revolving door for POC outside of Nico. Alex Killed then went to White Room then to Hell somehow and got rez. Victor looks like he is about to be rezzed from getting killed in comics. Ultron tie in will be tricky. and Xavin eh that was really a mess ending with Xavin sacraficing themselves for Karolina and lets be honest Karolina was a “insert insult of choice” to Xavin.

Was it necessary to “hispanicwash” Molly Hayes into Molly Hernandez?

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Before the backlash I know I’m gonna receive for this post… I’m Mexican living in Mexico, ergo I’m “PoC” but it was completely unnecessary to change the race of the character. I’m completely against whitewashing, I believe character race must stay as the source material. But come on, this change was completely unnecessary.

I am not surprised as far as I can tell RJ went Full EU in that he might be approaching the first Clone Wars Cartoon and StarKiller from Force Unleashed power levels. Basically, the POC are filler not just because their little side plot seems to have no major influence on the plot the First Order seems to win easily.

However, in choosing to dive so deep into Force Mythology and awesome Force powers, anyone without said powers is simply left in the dust. This is basically the EU towards the end with the exception of  mostly Han with Boba Fett and Lando to a lesser extent who survived off being Legacy from the OT. Ergo because RJ decided to keep the Force White and couldn't be bothered to come up with a compelling side plot. Well its no wonder there is a few mentions of Finn, a couple more about Rose and none about Poe. Nothing they do is plot relevant and any action scenes they get are easily overshadowed but what sounds like God Level Force Users. Who wants to watch Finn vs Phasma in the B-Plot when it has no emotional resonance and doesn't even look as cool as the Force Fights?  Even with a compelling side plot and no Force in something this Force Centric it would be hard but with a boring side plot, its impossible. B-Plot is there to move the plot forward and break up the Force Beats only. The Force Plot always tend to overshadow the non Force Plot. RJ seemingly did zilch to prevent it and probably didn't even care. Slapped Rose in for some diversity points, tossed Finn the bone of beating Phasma and probably gave Poe some nice space scenes. Called it a day. 

Look, if people had come out of this movie saying Finn is amazing and mentioned the Finnrey reunion, and talked about the diversity, and made clear statements that Kylo remains the villain and about how kick ass feminist things are, I would be able to stomach Rey random. Not the way things seem now. 

Poor Jhoira bumped off the pack for some Aven and a Benalish Knight? No Spark, No Packet Apparently. Teferi is back and Karn looks like Thanos. 

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There was no way it wasn’t going to be Luke’s Fault. However, my problem is Luke failed twice. It his fault that Kylo goes dark to some extent which I can accept to a degree but I cannot accept that on top of that Luke does nothing to clean up the mess. He goes off to a random planet and sits around doing zilch while Kylo and Snoke rekt face. The same Snoke that goes down to Kylo fresh off a loss to an untrained Rey and Rey who has lets be generous? How much time do you think Rey has known she has the Force, 3 weeks assuming some time skips? 

So an Akira style ending doesn't do shit for me to redeem Luke because really Luke should have been more then powerful to mop up Snoke and Kylo himself. He is only 50 or so Mace was about the same age when he threw down with Palpatine so don't give me he was too old like Kenobi and Yoda. Yoda also at least tried against Palpatine before running for the hills and Kenobi thought he had finished Anakin. Instead, we have zero indication that Luke tried to stop Kyo and Snoke at all until he goes godlike at the end. Which doesnt make up for what 5 plus years of not doing shit...

And thus there is no hope the Last Skywalker has killed not just 2/3rds of his family but the entire dream of a New Republic and New Jedi Order as well. And you know what is worse? A large swath of the fandom will still want him to get redeemed (Not Vader), a full on happy ending making super force babies with Rey.

I feel bad for George Lucas quite frankly. They are even retconning the Chosen One Prophecy and making fundamental changes to the Force. Who the fuck do KK a supposed friend of George and RJ think they are?

So basically: The Force Awakens was "Han's movie" and he died. The Last Jedi is Luke's movie and apparently he dies. Episode IX would be Leia's movie and she would be die?

Hi Anon,

Well, it certainly looks that way, doesn’t it?

George’s original idea, as I have read, was that Luke, Han and Leia would be supporting the main players, who were their kids. (or at least Han and Leia’s - I’m not sure I’ve read what Luke was doing in all this but….)

Then JJ arrived, threw out pretty much everything, and decided that Luke, Han and Leia should get a “fitting sendoff.”

Now, if you can explain to me how breaking up Han and Leia’s marriage, making their only child a Dark Sider, destroying Luke’s school and sending him off to be a hermit, then killing Han for nothing is a “fitting sendoff” then I think you should write Episode 9.

Because, yes, it looks now that Han dies in 8 for no damn good reason at all other than it’s the third act of a New Hope reboot and he’s oldest male lead so he goes down (or he’s “sexy luggage” according to JJ.). Because, and I stg I read this from some fan review, “Han and Leia should be crucified because of Kylo.” 

Yeah, so, there’s that.

I guess Luke will be blamed for Kylo - Mark is quoted in this week’s print Entertainment Weekly that there will be flashbacks and that the movie deals with the fallout of Luke thinking Kylo is the Chosen One. Which why tf Luke would even know the prophecy or care or NOT THINK IT’S HIS DAD when I’m sure Obi Wan would have told him is beyond me.

I would hope that Leia would have gotten a kinder fate in 9, but considering murder by your own child after your life is destroyed is called a “fitting sendoff” then I doubt it.

I don’t know, Anon. I mean, okay, they could have killed Luke, Han and Leia. I would not have been surprised.

But they could have left them together. Have them go out together, taking on the First Order so that Rey and Finn and Poe could win the day. 

What if Luke does live till 9? What’s he got? Han’s dead, Leia’s dead, his whole life in ruins…yeah. 

Thanks, Anon

Driver has done less for TLJ then Rose. Harrison Ford who is a rich legit movie star who hates promotion does more work then Driver on promoting Star Wars. Driver really doesn't carry his weight but KK and RJ love him and the fans will apologize for any “pretty white boy” so I guess it doesn't matter. Anyway saw the trailer I was right. 

seguun replied to your post “So you ready for the storm to come with the trailer?”

Yes all the marketing so far does suggest that the B-Plot is for POC and insignificant compared to the White Characters and the Force A-Plot. But KK is a Saint and a Champion of Diversity….SMFH. They love Kylo so much then make Driver get his lazy ass out there and promote Star Wars half as much as Boyega does.

I actually saw some Reylo saying that Driver had the “same deal” as Harrison Ford re: promotion. I’m sorry, Harrison was on every ABC show except The Chew (which he should have been on) and every other talk show going not only for the movie but for the damn DVD release. “Same deal”? Not so much.

John Boyega has been to EVERYTHING, been charming and funny - and his reward is that poster? 2 seconds in the trailer? 

Thoughts

First, R.I.P Hugo Chavez. Only the Good Die Young.

Second, Man U was robbed yesterday. Red Card my @ss not to mention all those no calls Welbeck was getting mugged and Real Madrid got away with several "accidental" handballs but if intent does not matter for Nani then it should not matter for Ramos either.