Basically It Just Feels Because RJ Was Willing To Dickride Kylo Ren And Adam Driver So Hard Who We Know

Finn (John Boyega) is even more underdeveloped, and “The Last Jedi” saddles him with a plot that has literally no impact on the actual course of the movie and provides him with no discernible character development: The whole thing could have been excised from the film, and the only difference would have been a zippier run time, a smaller special-effects budget and a tighter story.

they. sidelined. finn. (via paige-tic0)

Trust me he is still a lead said the lying bitch RJ. He sidelined him with comic relief bs while having Rey fantasize about Kylo and then tried to toss Rose at Finn to kill FinnRey. Look I dont have a problem with FinnRose in the abstract since but its clear the only reason Rose is here is to help make sure Finn fans dont get anything they want. No Force Powers (he has a random kid show powers as one last fuck you to Finn Fans). No Arc (despite lying about it). And Rose is there to try to make us forget about Rey so he can cram Reylo down our throats not for any progressive reason or because the relationship has real value. RJ went in the goal to emasculate Finn and Poe and prop up Kylo.

Perhaps Complex is the wrong word...its more Confusing. 

But we have all read the Chinese Complaints and they are Cast isn't Hot Enough Compared To MCU, Fight Scenes Were Lame Compared to Wuxia and What You Get in Anime (High Standards for Sword Fights), Continuity Not User Friendly (They didn't get the old movies) and Plot was boring and confusing with the First Order not competent enough. 

Short Answer: KK needs copy Feige’s Notes. 

1) The First I am not really going to comment on if the actors are attractive enough too much but I would have to agree in general....Lupita you don't see and Oscar is the only one he pretty universally be considered super hot. 

2) Hard to argue the fights aren't lame. Sorry Driver and Ridley just aren't that good and Boyega and Christie got nothing to work with since they got 30 seconds. The Force users didn't look Superhuman enough, I know they don't want to do Prequel twirling but times have changed and standards have gone up. 

3) Hard to argue with this one but you cant really fix it super easily if you want to do Skywalker Saga Films this close to the OT. 

4) The biggest sin is this...150 mins is long for an American Audience...its even worse for an audience who has to read subs. Beyond that it was boring for most of that time...reminds me of BvS too long without quality fight scenes. 

The positive here is Disney cannot ignore RJ and KK failing to secure Chinese Box Office so even if the movie makes 1.3-1.4 Billion. This is a major strike that probably sinks RJ trilogy alone and weakens KK. 

All the articles I've read on tlj underperforming in China bend over backwards trying to find an explanation that isn't "tlj sucks and Chinese people have standards". Like, they go 'Oh, Star Wars was never that big there! The OT never got a theatrical release!' but... tfa and ro both did, and got better results... if anything, tlj should have had more success, after them! They need better excuses (or to start MAYBE questioning why so many people didn't like it a bit more)

Also I’m sad about how articles even from usually good sites (eg Vox, which is the one I just read) pull the ‘fans just didn’t want complexity and new things!’ card while also criticizing Poe (“That f’ing guy”, “a 360-degree disaster”, blaming him for the near-destruction of the resistance…) and praising its feminist themes and how Poe should have listened to Holdo & Leia… (“Again and again, women try to set [Poe] straight, but he ignores or defies them”. UMM *white women) (½)

(2/2) … and just, completely missing the point! Like, in that article, Holdo & Leia creeping onto Poe is, apparently, “regarding Poe fondly” and Poe not facing the consequences. …I would also talk about Finn, but he was barely even mentioned (really goes to show how much he is the “male lead” under rian “kylo” johnson), and only in the context of “Finn and Rose […] played a direct role in the death of thousands of their fellow Rebels”. AND THE WRITER IS STILL NOT GETTING IT. smh …

These people are so far up Disney’s and Johnson’s asses that they can’t see or choose to ignore how awful and nonsensical the writing is, and how bad the movie is as a result. A 150 minute runtime for an action adventure flick is already quite a lot to ask of the audience, but to make it a rambling, meandering bore? Especially while opening in countries where you can’t rely on the SW brand to draw audiences? What level of entitlement does it take to think SW is owed viewers while putting out crappy and boring product, and that if people don’t see it in the projected numbers they’re in the wrong and don’t have the requisite intelligence to appreciate Johnson’s genius?

I’m also loving the way the white feminists are crawling out of the woodwork screaming about how revolutionary it is that white women are humiliating and brutalizing men of color in completely OOC and contrived scenarios. I see what their “feminism” is about and it ain’t pretty.

Don't get me wrong I didn't like the Rey Attack either I am just saying you can squint and explain where there is nothing that mitigates this one at all in my book. Yeah Finn’s backstory in no way calls for Comic Relief in my book. If they wanted this they never should have used Child Soldier background. 

I keep thinking about how we were given the impression that Finn and Rose’s story would be a cool team up and that Rose would think he’s a Big Deal, but the storybook leaks basically give us a completely different dynamic, one where Rose drags an unwilling Finn around by the collar and scolds him for even trying to leave, and keeps him from leaving by force, and I hate that. I really hate that. It’s like the weak and questionable parts of Finn and Rey’s interaction before Harrison got injured and JJ reshot some stuff and changed their dynamic going forward because the antagonistic stuff wasn’t working. So why copypaste that bad dynamic that JJ already famously decided needed to be fixed? Actually make it worse? Bleh.

Lol there is no way KKK hires Taika Waititi. With the racist bs she let slide for this movie...there is no way those two are compatible at all. He be fired day one for not wanting to cast a British white brunette, make a white man the focus and denigrate men of color.

so are you gonna watch tlj? based on the reviews i've seen from some of my sources i'm bailing lol disappointed but not surprised

I’ve decided not to see it. I got an early viewer’s take on it and there is no way I’m supporting a movie that so badly sidelines a Black character who was clearly set up to be the protagonist in the first movie. Honestly I could cry right now, fuck me for thinking this franchise could refrain from blatant racism for two whole movies right? At least I can move on now and stop expecting that this trash fire franchise could turn itself around.

For a second, I didn't realize you were sarcastic.

what a beautiful day to hate rian johnson for destroying the skywalker legacy for literally no reason

Well you see that be in character and this movie was all about making Luke look bad so Kylo could look good. But that begs question what was the explanation for how Luke couldn't sense Han Dying or an entire Solar System disappearing while hiding in a Force Nexus?

To be honest, the minute Luke learned that Kylo Ren killed Han Solo, he should have geared up and trained Rey and gotten to the Resistance pronto. The minute. 

Pretty Much JJ is iffy honestly the biggest problems were Finn lacked in skills compared to Rey. Rey was overloaded She has the Force, She can fight (Finn should be better here) in Martial Arts, She can fly, she is mechanic and she is multilingual. Spread the love out I wanted them both to have the force so let him be a pilot or a mechanic. Beyond that problems are Poe naming (iffy), animal through (remove the animal), Rey/BB-8 tazing Finn (again Finn should win here), Rathars capture (delete all this), Chewie (remove), losing to TR-8R (no put Phasma here). But Finn basically drove the plot and was a clear lead so plus points for that. 

RJ though just no Finn is treated with no respect from the jump because RJ didn't want to do payoff for Finn and wanted to suck Kylo’s Dick. He wakes up banging his head, running around leaking water like a fool and then getting tazed by Rose? This is how you treat a Hero of the Resistance? Really RJ? Then he goes on a worthless side plot where Rose takes the lead and treats him like a child? Where the fail essentially over a parking violation? Gets tased again and they trust DJ who is just waiting for them? The Phasma fight had nothing to it emotionally or physically. And the crait stuff...I didn't want him to die but even so Rose stopping him makes no sense and her lines so cringy considering her sister and Holdo. 

seguun replied to your post: “The difference between JJ and RJ is the following: some of the things…”:

Eh I argue about JJ just making mistakes…the difference is more RJ double down hard even after the Finn stuff got criticism so he doesn’t get an excuse at all.

Yeah, JJ made mistakes…. RJ didn’t give a single fuck…

Looks like I was right its a good thing Lando dodged the RJ bullet...Lando drunk and selling out the Resistance to the First Order? That be as bad as Luke and far worse then Han. 

'The Last Jedi’ Rian Johnson Talks About Not Including Lando Calrissian

Billy Dee Williams' Lando Calrissian is a "Star Wars" fan favorite and 'The Last Jedi' director Rian Johnson explains the character's absence.

I have to quote one of my favorite A-Team episodes here, to sort of convey the awfulness:

Murdock: We’ve hit rock bottom, now the only place we can go is up

(Person the team is rescuing pulls a gun on them)

Face: This is up?

1 Token Black Guy (or any POC) and at least 2 White Dudes who look alike is CW Diversity. It can basically function as a meta commentary.

????????????????????????? i hate this post. also those two boys on the left are literally identical.

LIES I SAY LIES....BOTS...TROLLS...THERE IS NO FIRE TLJ >>> ESB

It doesn't mean anything Jumanji has bankable stars and thus no one could expect TLJ to win in its 4th week, you know despite LF forcing theatres into draconian rules. 

Ah ha ha ha ha