It make no sense for Unkar not to sell Rey. I could see Unkar keeping Rey if had a way to train her so he could have his own pet force user but he doesn't even do that. He was going to send thugs to beat her up and steal BB-8 so there is no fucking reason for him not to sell her besides RJ saying screw JJ and Lucas, I do what I want. So I am just going to mostly ignore TFA and the OT and PT and retcon whatever the frak I want.
“Rey’s parents are not only just random junkyard people, they are horrible, horrible people who trade Rey for a ship off Jakku because the First Order is looking for Force Sensitive children, but Unkar Plutt does not sell her to the First Order. “
guess who’s going to be back on her Jedi!Finn bullshit
To be fair JJ will never have more power against KK. He brought in 2 Billion which is all the hireups care about and KK cannot afford to fire yet another director. So we shall see how he wants to use his power.
However, I have no doubt KK loves Reylo because she loves Adam Driver for some reason and her white British brunette self inserts. In contrast, and I am not joking I cant not honestly remember KK say one positive thing about Finn (John Boyega), Poe Dameron (Oscar Issacs) or Rose Tico (Kelly Marie Tran).
As for the other stuff, I havent read Finn and Rose getting together. I have read stuff that Finn once again got saddled with comic relief, the arc wasnt that great and that John Boyega once again had to elevate shitty material.
I have a feeling JJ is just gonna undo stuff anyway. Rose allegedly according to New spoilers ends up Finn’s girlfriend at the end and Rey apparently is conflicted about Kylo. I can’t see JJ continuing those threads. I also think Rey will turn out not to be so random.
Maybe. We’ll see. I doubt that they’re as divided as all that, especially since Kathleen Kennedy has final say on everything and loves Rian’s work so much she’s giving him the keys to the castle, so to speak. But I don’t intend to spend the next two years theorizing about what JJ/KK are gonna do. (Of course I didn’t intend to get so wrapped up in TLJ speculation either and we can all see how that turned out. I should delete my entire backlog and drink to forget).
Pretty Much JJ is iffy honestly the biggest problems were Finn lacked in skills compared to Rey. Rey was overloaded She has the Force, She can fight (Finn should be better here) in Martial Arts, She can fly, she is mechanic and she is multilingual. Spread the love out I wanted them both to have the force so let him be a pilot or a mechanic. Beyond that problems are Poe naming (iffy), animal through (remove the animal), Rey/BB-8 tazing Finn (again Finn should win here), Rathars capture (delete all this), Chewie (remove), losing to TR-8R (no put Phasma here). But Finn basically drove the plot and was a clear lead so plus points for that.
RJ though just no Finn is treated with no respect from the jump because RJ didn't want to do payoff for Finn and wanted to suck Kylo’s Dick. He wakes up banging his head, running around leaking water like a fool and then getting tazed by Rose? This is how you treat a Hero of the Resistance? Really RJ? Then he goes on a worthless side plot where Rose takes the lead and treats him like a child? Where the fail essentially over a parking violation? Gets tased again and they trust DJ who is just waiting for them? The Phasma fight had nothing to it emotionally or physically. And the crait stuff...I didn't want him to die but even so Rose stopping him makes no sense and her lines so cringy considering her sister and Holdo.
seguun replied to your post: “The difference between JJ and RJ is the following: some of the things…”:
Eh I argue about JJ just making mistakes…the difference is more RJ double down hard even after the Finn stuff got criticism so he doesn’t get an excuse at all.
Yeah, JJ made mistakes…. RJ didn’t give a single fuck…
Perhaps Complex is the wrong word...its more Confusing.
But we have all read the Chinese Complaints and they are Cast isn't Hot Enough Compared To MCU, Fight Scenes Were Lame Compared to Wuxia and What You Get in Anime (High Standards for Sword Fights), Continuity Not User Friendly (They didn't get the old movies) and Plot was boring and confusing with the First Order not competent enough.
Short Answer: KK needs copy Feige’s Notes.
1) The First I am not really going to comment on if the actors are attractive enough too much but I would have to agree in general....Lupita you don't see and Oscar is the only one he pretty universally be considered super hot.
2) Hard to argue the fights aren't lame. Sorry Driver and Ridley just aren't that good and Boyega and Christie got nothing to work with since they got 30 seconds. The Force users didn't look Superhuman enough, I know they don't want to do Prequel twirling but times have changed and standards have gone up.
3) Hard to argue with this one but you cant really fix it super easily if you want to do Skywalker Saga Films this close to the OT.
4) The biggest sin is this...150 mins is long for an American Audience...its even worse for an audience who has to read subs. Beyond that it was boring for most of that time...reminds me of BvS too long without quality fight scenes.
The positive here is Disney cannot ignore RJ and KK failing to secure Chinese Box Office so even if the movie makes 1.3-1.4 Billion. This is a major strike that probably sinks RJ trilogy alone and weakens KK.
All the articles I've read on tlj underperforming in China bend over backwards trying to find an explanation that isn't "tlj sucks and Chinese people have standards". Like, they go 'Oh, Star Wars was never that big there! The OT never got a theatrical release!' but... tfa and ro both did, and got better results... if anything, tlj should have had more success, after them! They need better excuses (or to start MAYBE questioning why so many people didn't like it a bit more)
Also I’m sad about how articles even from usually good sites (eg Vox, which is the one I just read) pull the ‘fans just didn’t want complexity and new things!’ card while also criticizing Poe (“That f’ing guy”, “a 360-degree disaster”, blaming him for the near-destruction of the resistance…) and praising its feminist themes and how Poe should have listened to Holdo & Leia… (“Again and again, women try to set [Poe] straight, but he ignores or defies them”. UMM *white women) (½)
(2/2) … and just, completely missing the point! Like, in that article, Holdo & Leia creeping onto Poe is, apparently, “regarding Poe fondly” and Poe not facing the consequences. …I would also talk about Finn, but he was barely even mentioned (really goes to show how much he is the “male lead” under rian “kylo” johnson), and only in the context of “Finn and Rose […] played a direct role in the death of thousands of their fellow Rebels”. AND THE WRITER IS STILL NOT GETTING IT. smh …
These people are so far up Disney’s and Johnson’s asses that they can’t see or choose to ignore how awful and nonsensical the writing is, and how bad the movie is as a result. A 150 minute runtime for an action adventure flick is already quite a lot to ask of the audience, but to make it a rambling, meandering bore? Especially while opening in countries where you can’t rely on the SW brand to draw audiences? What level of entitlement does it take to think SW is owed viewers while putting out crappy and boring product, and that if people don’t see it in the projected numbers they’re in the wrong and don’t have the requisite intelligence to appreciate Johnson’s genius?
I’m also loving the way the white feminists are crawling out of the woodwork screaming about how revolutionary it is that white women are humiliating and brutalizing men of color in completely OOC and contrived scenarios. I see what their “feminism” is about and it ain’t pretty.
I second this just tough it out people. I already saw a Spanish version linked online so if you can understand Spanish you can watch that everyone else can just wait a few days and torrent it.
ill say if ur like me and havent watched the movie and are on the fence about watching it even tho ur thinking “ya i hate it but i miss finn and poe”… i get you, i understand you, but please try and not watch it. you know at the end of the day what hurts disney is their bottom line (and their reputation but less so). at the very least tell ur friends and family who are casual (or not at all) fans of star wars to not see the movie. dont buy their merch. dont support them at all. we want them to know that no one liked this film. no one was interested in watching this racist bs and the only language they speak is $$$ so hit them where it hurts.
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Honestly seems like we are getting Twilight Fan Fiction. Yeah sure Kylo may have saved Rey when they took out Snoke but considering Kylo only did that for a power grab that doesn't scream redemption to me. Especially if Kylo wanted redemption all he has to do after killing Snoke is immediately change First Order Policies by freeing child soldiers, dismantling super weapons, etc. But they are the two main hetero white characters so of course they should bang. This type of romance plot only works if A) the bad boy isn't actually the monster everyone says he is or B) the character at least had a relationship in the past before one of turned into a monster. It does not work when said girl meets said guy after knowing he is monster and seeing him kill his father/her mentor in cold blood and almost kill her supposed Best Friend.
Honestly this all boils down to the problem with Rey Random. Ignore her unique raw force power. Rey has no connection to the plot if BB-8 didn't just will of the force its way right into her. She is not resistance/rebellion, she is not first order/empire, she is not related to anyone important or has any reason to care about getting involved in the plot except being Super Powerful in the Force for reasons. She is anchorless and totally unconnected her only connection is being the lead. Han is Dead. Luke is Dead and because of the sad passing of Fisher, she wont be around as Leia. So we have if the spoilers are true, the cast of Rey, Finn, Rose, Poe, Chewie, the Droids and maybe a few extras all fleeing on the Falcon with the rest of the Resistance Obliterated and Kylo ruling the galaxy. Now besides Rey who apparently has the hots for Kylo why would the rest of the characters with everyone they know dead give one **** about saving Kylo’s soul. It doesn't logically compute. Ergo the tension is massively undercut either Rey is the worst heroine I have ever seen where she is conflicted as the New Empire oppress the galaxy and picks off her supposed friends or she commits to killing Kylo pissed that he tricked her. Kylo v Rey is just not compelling like Vader v Luke or Kenobi v Anakin because their connection is finding each other attractive for like a week and being super special force unicorns.
Its like RJ basically ignored TFA for the most part and just used it as rough outlines for character backgrounds. But even saying that I could easily throw in a few retcons that give Rey Random a reason to care about Kylo beyond he is “hot“ and saved me once and I hate Reylo. Just have Rey be a fellow student at the Jedi Academy that Kylo was close to and thus when he turned couldn't bring himself to kill. So he paid some fake parents to dump her on a backwater and somehow wiped her memory or maybe she suffered some memory loss from injuries during the attack. It even fits in with TFA lines like “What Girl“ and “It is You“ that are unexplained. There still Rey Random and gave her a decent reason to care about Kylo and feel some conflict.
People who don’t get how Rey being the daughter of two junk dealers who abandoned her for money and who thus most likely won’t play any role in the future is unsatisfying writing haven’t understood a single thing about how you construct a plot. The way this was built up Rey random is only satisfying IF her parents are relevant to the plot, even as new characters. Otherwise there was literally no point keeping this a secret, bc it leaves us exactly with what we know from TFA. It adds nothing. Rey already saw herself as noone and figured out whoever left her on Jakku won’t be coming back. Furthermore: If you come up with the idea to construct a character with a unique raw Force power, and decide this character’s power will match the power of Darth Vader’s grandson, there must be a reason for it in the plot. You can’t just go “well, this is just how it is, it’s coincidence” This is unsatisfying and like someone didn’t even try. It’s lazy.
Indeed Spoilers would be nice. Cannot wait to read. I am especially interested in what the team looks like.
The problem is we don't have numbers. Ergo sure it looks like Lionheart was slaughtering a bunch of Huntsmen but without knowing how many Huntsmen are actually active in Mistral, this could simply be a surgical strike against possible Ozpin Supporters who are Friends or Acquaintances of Qrow. But without actual numbers its impossible to tell. What I dont get is why is school out for anyone...we just had a Kingdom Academy go down, massive grimm attacks across the world and plenty of dead huntsmen...this especially didnt make sense in Vol 4 when Ironwood did it. Lionheart is turncoat...but I cant see why Ironwood would sanction a normal summer vacation when he is locking down the kingdom and prepping for war... But yeah Ozpin got curtailed by his council often enough so it seems weird no one called Lionheart on his BS. Ironwood at least stacked the votes.
Also what kind of weird dystopia is going on that Huntsman started inexplicably dropping like flies all around Mistral but none of the remaining ones said “hey, something suspicious is going on” before they all hit the dirt? I understand fully that these people are warriors and warriors often don’t make it back home, but at no point did anyone realize the massive increase in MIAs and think to speak about it? Qrow figured out something unusual was going on in a DAY after it’d happened. You’re telling me no one noticed during? I don’t buy it
I brought it up for TFA but its funny when we get the first Black Male Lead in Star Wars suddenly the standard rules for how you treat a male lead no longer apply. I mean Finn is similar to Luke ignoring (Luke being the overall main lead and having the Force) difference is Luke never got beat up by his friends and while he did have some embarrassing stuff happen to him he still got to end ANH strong. Landing the final shots on the Deathstar. Finn meanwhile ends in a coma at RJ request and lost every fight including one to a stomtrooper (a first in Star Wars) and to Rey of course despite being top of his class in tie ins in comabt.
He then enters TLJ and opens worrying about Rey (who is making googly eyes at Kylo if the rumors are too be trusted) and getting tazered by Rose. Before getting demoted to the B-Plot which incidentally includes all the POC with no Force Powers in Finn, Poe, Rose, DJ and Paige Tico with less screen time then Kylo. And apparently the B-Plot wasn't all that interesting since everyone is gushing about Kylo, Luke and Rey. I mean sure it looks like he beats Phasma but there was no development between Finn and Phasma in TFA...there was between Finn and Kylo but does anyone really thing FInn will even the socre against Kylo like a real Male Lead? I dont.
Absolutely sickening this window dressing Diversity and the wide scale acceptance of it in the fandom and the press. Disney is lucky Black Panther is coming so soon or I be boycotting their products.
In none of the other 8 Star Wars films were any of the villains given more screentime and importance than the heroes, in none. Not even Darth Vader. So I am sorry, but I am going to call bullshit that when two of the three major heroes are men of color, suddenly the only other young-ish white dude who happens to be the villain needs to have more screentime than the actual male hero.
And before any of you Kyle fans comes at me “but he is the Skywalker of the trilogy!!!”, first of all, there are two other Skywalkers actually in the good side. Half of you are the same people who bend backwards saying how Rey should be a random because the trilogy doesn’t have to focus on a Skywalker.
But then suddenly it needs to focus on Kylo because he is one?
Yeah, you can’t have it both fucking ways.