There Were Times When I Respected Every Pairing With Steve But Some People In Steve/Bucky Fandom Made

Wow. So cool

From today’s press conference in Shanghai [x]

So, like, here’s the thing. Good people make mistakes. They get emotional and act selfishly, and that doesn’t take away from the good they’ve done. Steve Rogers and Tony Stark are both good people who’ve done bad things. Too many people in this fandom (and everywhere) refuse to see the flaws in their faves. They refuse to understand the motivations behind anybody who opposes their fave. I say “refuse” deliberately, because it requires willful ignorance to decide either of these men are bad people. Quite frankly, all that shit can stay about 7000 light years away from me. It is completely unwelcome here.

"Shutting off Steve to be Cap" looool

things i like about Steve Roger’s character development in the MCU

probably speaks French and German

probably learned how to drive while at war

DEFINITELY spars with Nat because in every movie he picks up new moves she did in the previous movie. Moves that are made for someone with a small body using physics to fight larger bodied people. Moves that he does with his large body anyway.

his hair slowly becomes more modern with every film, so at some point he probably fingered the ends of his hair and thought about letting the past go before heading down to get a new style

he loves Sam so much

he is the only one who pays serious attention to Sam

he is the only one other than clint who can genuinely be described as “Nat’s Friend”

he likes birds

he’s nice, because when buck’s sadness notebook full of pictures of him was out, he could have embarrassed bucky but didnt, and pointedly drew attention away from the object. and that was very nice. 

he draws still life’s and portraits and probably would go to art school if he didn’t have to be Cap

he grew up in a poor/predominantly black area of NY and likely lived with predominantly black people during the jazz age, which warms the cockles of mine heart. And is also probably the reason he was like * sees Sam*  “ 👌👀👌👀👌👀👌👀👌👀 good shit go౦ԁ sHit👌 thats ✔ some good👌👌shit right👌👌there👌👌👌 right✔there ✔✔if i do ƽaү so my self 💯 i say so 💯 thats what im talking about right there right there (chorus: ʳᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ) mMMMMᎷМ💯 👌👌 👌НO0ОଠOOOOOОଠଠOoooᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒ👌 👌👌 👌 💯 👌 👀 👀 👀 👌👌Good shit” 

Rides a motorcycle in a very dramatic and reckless fashion

Is sad and lonely, but no one seems to notice but Nat and Sam

 There is a clear divide between Steve Rogers the man and Captain America and he appropriately treats his body and his power like its on loan from FREEDOM and SWEET LADY LIBERTY. like, if you look close, you can see him shutting off steve to be Cap. 

likes grandpa music

makes dad jokes

runs away from being set up with people, and I identify with that heavily

Likes strong/smart/powerful women. would probably get jelly knees if he met Wonder Woman.

Likely a virgin. Very Likely. 

Doesnt care about the America of now, with its corruption and horribleness, instead, loves and fights for the America that Could Be, because he sees that America has all the ingredients for Glory and he just hopes that one day we can put them together in the right order and fairness so we can make a pretty good apple pie of freedom and justice.

fights people constantly and has no chill at all

Punches like a Heavy, but is almost as graceful as Natasha 

dare him to do something and he’ll probably do it. A v Reckless Man.

he likes to wear  khakis and plaid.

But balances that out by lowkey being a leather daddy

he wears so much leather oh my god

Blushes when he gets embarassed

all steve/bucky bed sharing AUs are pretty much canon because that was A Thing Men Did back in the 1930s when poor

an anxious pupper 

dat ass

steve rogers + symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder, as requested by @heyhosers​

Yeah, that's stucky. Definitely. I really liked that ship some time ago

ship: *exists*

me: okay, it's okay i guess---

shippers: *are full of nasty veil hateful people, who will bully anyone who doesn't ship said ship, forces the ship down other peoples throats, acts like they run the fandom, erases and shits on other characters bc of their ship and are all around toxic to a fandom*

me: ya know what? nvm i hate that ship, that ship is awful.

Its pretty obvious isn't it? It's what we were actually told in the film. Nothing wrong with him showing up on the bench. We don't know what device they used for time travel in that reality.

If Steve ended up in an alternate timeline with Peggy, he would have come back through the time machine, not be sitting on the park bench which heavily implies he inserted himself into his own timeline and married his Peggy, thereby wiping out her husband who he saved according to Peggy in a video in TWS. He let Bucky suffer for all those years. It is something I have been thinking about. Steve never lived his life in an alternate timeline because he never came back through the time machine.

I really don’t think the movie supports this. Bruce very specifically says changing the past does not change your future. So that says right there that this theory doesn’t hold water. Otherwise they could have killed Thanos as a baby, like Rhodey suggested, and changed everything. But even if what you say was the case, and Steve went back in the main MCU timeline and left Bucky with HYDRA and married Peggy and erased her life, then the present would be different. Nothing would have happened as it did, so what are the odds Sam and Buck and Bruce would be there just as they were? Would this moment have even happened? Steve would have been old during the fight with the Chitauri and TWS and CW and IW. He could never have done anything that he did. Everything would be wildly different. He couldn’t just change Peggy’s timeline and leave everything else to happen the exact same way to lead them to that moment. All these characters are way too pivotal to the story for that to make sense.

So I think it’s way more likely he created an alternate timeline. Maybe the Hank Pym of his timeline sent him back? Maybe Dr. Strange did it? He already deals in the multiverse. He looked through 14 million iterations of the multiverse in IW, after all. The point is there are explanations that work. Also, sometimes writers explain things after the fact. Sometimes they leave it open for a reason or because they want the audience to interpret it. And sometimes you have to work the plot as best you can around the important, emotional scene you want (old Steve returning to give Sam his shield). It doesn’t always work entirely. But, to me, this does. And Bucky absolutely knew Steve’s plan. Which means to me Steve had his blessing.

Time travel shenanigans always lead to this 😊 Just my take. I have seen some really good meta on alternate timelines and realities and the multiverse. Maybe someone wants to add?

the thing about fandom’s framing of steve as this rebel without a cause type of reckless idiot who is just incapable of following orders is that, like “angry chihuahua” pre-serum steve, i get where it comes from. it’s funny and meme-able, and, most importantly, it’s a way to distance steve from the boyscout image so many people associate him with, and that so many of his fans hate.

but, just as angry chihuaha steve, reckless idiot steve is also upsetting because it takes the most sincere, earnest, good things steve has done in the mcu and twists them to be not the actions of a noble hero, but the stupidity of a manchild who challenges everything and everyone for no reason. it bastardizes the very core of steve’s character, and, above all, equates making steve more cynic/less idealistic with making steve better and cooler.

and that sucks because, no, he’s not a boyscout, but, guys, the very core of steve’s character is cheesy. steve as a character represents an ideal, and he does so in the most sincere, earnest way possible. steve’s superpower is his heart and his bravery. he’s a hero because he’s a good person, not because he’s snarky, because he’s a genius, because he’s super powerful or because he was chosen by fate or a prophecy. he’s just… the ultimate Good Guy. it doesn’t get much cheesier than that, unless your name is Clark Kent. 

and if that isn’t interesting to you, it’s cool. anti-heroes are the norm in the mcu and in most superhero movies for a reason: they’re fun to watch and very relatable. but, i’m sorry, steve is just not one of them. steve is that guy who walks old ladies to cross the street, not the guy who cracks a bunch of jokes while kicking a villain’s ass. and you’re free to find this boring and lame as much as you want to, but that’s IT. that’s the character. and i feel like a lot of people are not comfortable just letting steve be that way - they need to twist his actions to make him seem much more of a rebel badass than he actually is, and since i’m so attached to this stupidly sincere portrayal of sheer goodness and bravery, it becomes upsetting.

like… streve crashed the Valkyrie into the water not because he’s an Extra™, Dramatic Bitch or whatever, but because it was the only chance to land the plane without killing tons of innocent people. TFA is the ONLY origin movie in the mcu that doesn’t end with a triumph, but with a tragedy, and fandom somehow thinks it’s fun to turn steve’s sacrifice into a laughing stock, to act like he did so because he’s stupid or missed bucky’s dick too much or anything of the sort, instead of seeing the fact that steve did what he did because he valued other people’s lives above his own, because he valued doing the right thing over getting what he, personally, wanted.

and i guess to me it’s upsetting because this is something that resonates so deeply with my values and the person i want to be, and so to see fandom turning it into something small and petty just hurts, even if it’s just a joking shitpost. because when you act like steve is just some insolent dude who challenges everything and everyone just because he can, you end up turning his character from a hero to an idiot with poor impulse control. when you make headcanons of his friends being annoyed and bored by his constant idealism and desire to do the right thing, you turn him into a burden to sam or bucky or natasha or whoever, ignoring how he’s actually a leader and an inspiration to the people around him - you ignore how he broke through bucky’s brainwashing through sheer loyalty, how he made sam want to suit up for the first time in years, how he gave natasha trust when no one else would have. 

basically, you take away the beautiful things about his character and turn into something that, yeah, might be funnier, but it’s just so cynical it’s almost depressing. it turns something that is genuinely idealistic and optimistic into a pessimistic, shallow thing, and that’s just not what steve rogers is meant to be.

This is so funny

THIS IS THE BEST!

awwww...

fandom: MCU ship: Steve Rogers/Tony Stark tags: Crack/Fluff/Humor

(inspired by this post)

“How are we doing, J?”

“Everything in order, Sir.” The robotic voice of the A.I. echoed on the room. “The laser is ready for activation.”

Tony turned on his chair, eyeing the monitor. There it was, right on the wall, in all his star-spangled glory: Captain America, also known as Steve Grant Rogers, also known as Tony Stark’s biggest nemesis.

As a villain, Tony wasn’t a big believer in maintaining long-term rivalries with heroes. He had heard enough horror stories of villains who got so caught up in defeating their counterparts their plans ended up slacking, turning lazy. Having a designated hero to fight could seem simpler in the surface, but in the long term, it just got messy. And if there was one thing Iron Man, twice-named most influential villain of the world by People’s magazine (take that, Gotham city), definitely didn’t need, was for his plans to get messy because of heroes who couldn’t stop sticking their noses where they didn’t belong.

However.

The Captain had been a different case. They came across each other by complete coincidence – Tony was running a very common world domineering plot, definitely not one of his most inspired works, and the Captain showed up with a few people from his team, What’s-His-Name and What’s-His-Name-With-Wings. To Tony’s surprise, the Captain cracked the steps of his plan easily, managing to surprise him when he marched into Tony’s lair, shield in hand, strong posture and confident voice as he turned his azure eyes towards Tony and proclaimed: Nowhere to run, Iron Man.

It had been rivalry at first sight.

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These are two different scenes???? I don’t understand

AVENGERS: ENDGAME (2019) - dir. Joe & Anthony Russo