Was That Tape Already Playing When Frank Broke Into Her Car Or Was He Nosy-looking Through Karen’s

Not to be a High School English teacher on main but:

His heart beat faster as Daisy’s white face came up to his own. He knew that when he kissed this girl, and forever wed his unutterable visions to her perishable breath, his mind would never romp again like the mind of God. So he waited, listening for a moment longer to the tuning fork that had been struck upon a star. Then he kissed her. At his lips’ touch she blossomed for him like a flower and the incarnation was complete.

And I think it describes at least one of the reasons that Frank keeps pulling back right where Karen is ready to kiss him. We know that he feels like he’s dangerous to be around and he wants her to be safe and believes that means being not anywhere near him. We know that he feels like he is supposed to be dead, shouldn’t move on from his family’s murder and specifically from still seeing himself as married to his dead wife. But I also think that he’s terrified to kiss Karen because he knows that it will change him if he lets her in.

Right now his grief is effectively a super power: he’s driven, reckless, accepts no rules but those of his own heart/internal compass. No one can stop him because he’s a dead man walking. But if he lets Karen in, lets her breath new life into him, he will be a living breathing man again with something to lose. He is terrified to be human like that again.

(Not that he’s not already being impacted by this: he does care what she thinks, he does experience the panic of impending loss when she’s threatened. But he’s trying, so hard, not to let that transform him.)

As a bonus, we know that Frank and Karen both read that book (every high school student in the United States was assigned it in 11th grade at the time they were teenagers and there is evidence that both of them actually did their English class readings).

So it’s entirely possible that Frank might even make that connection for himself. They could even argue about it (I don’t think Karen would appreciate being compared to Daisy, even if that’s not actually the point Frank was trying to make).

do you ever just think about frank and karen in dds2, tps1&2, and now ddba, and think, damn—

ooo foggito

THE PUNISHER | 1.10 — Virtue of the Vicious

Frank not caring what anyone thinks of him, but as soon as karen page is disappointed in him, he has the saddest puppy dog eyes you’ve ever seen.

i wonder what karen did in san francisco. hmm.

foggy having-his-field trip nelson after watching matt and frank in karen’s car, and then in frank’s place with all that “i heard your heartbeats” and want-a-cup-no-thank-you :-D

Since I've seen it floated about how Frank and Karen getting together means the end of Punisher-Frank (it doesn't, just would require some changes to how he's handled); I'll go with the flipside. If Matt and Karen were to get together, then how long before Elektra shows back up and either there's another LT or Matt again picks Elektra over Karen. Like before I would've tapped on the comics but now after a rewatch, its very damn clear that Elektra is always going to eclipse any other person. Which that'd just be a repeat of s2 and regress most characters, but especially Karen. There's drawbacks to every side of the equation, which means that's a nonfactor. Daredevil needs to take a hint from Luke Cage in following the chemistry & story that is Kastle, not Jessica Jones s2-3. Just ftr I like s1 but god is it annoying in s2-3 in its insistence on bucking the chemistry to force in rando guys. Luke/Claire is -chef's kiss- and is a case of a Matt floated love interest who didn't match with him, thus going her own way w/ another love interest). Same as Kastle. Mattlektra not only has the chemistry, the story, but also bonus points is it tickling the comic fans special spots by being accurate to their pair.

God the next year is going to be so damn annoying with these types of anti bullshit.

Karen Page & Frank Castle Daredevil: Born Again│Season 1