SM Baddies Edition Pt 1

Kpop is like an enigma the further you peel the creative layers back everything is black..then there's the colorism, featurism nd cultural hoodwinking

I dont wanna make a super drawn out post about the cultural cou d'état going on in kpop but like who else is gonna do it

Stephanie played with so many people with this ship, she knew she had no intention of jacob ever having a chance, I was watching eclipse back in 2010 like maybe edward will leave again

“It’s just that, I know how you’re unhappy a lot. And, maybe it doesn’t help anything, but I wanted you to know that I’m always here. I won’t ever let you down– I promise that you can always count on me. Wow, that does sound corny. But you know that, right? That I would never, ever hurt you?” 

Isabella Swan & Jacob Black in The Twilight Saga (2008-2012)

Theories I hide on my phone

Okay so let the record show I have no proof and I can’t even put all the evidence I have cause...reasons but this is more just something I put together a year? year and a half ago. I told my sister but she was on tiktok and didn’t care, but she said it was interesting which coming from her and her limited attention span-- is a compliment. So this is going to be either really long or really short

I actually first thought of this theory as a joke then I was like hold up there’s a lot here. It’s all speculative and for fun, it’s really more of a thing that shows how matrixy the matrix is so many people have a lot in common even if they don’t know each other...or do they 

AgAin this is NOT everything I just have other stuff to do and I’d like to get this posted by like today and not spend a billion years on this one thing and I can’t even go into detail. This is just the small stuff I can’t post other things that make it even weirder because..it’s not my business..his isn’t either but..techinically nothing is anybody’s business. So anyway the theory

okay so what this theory actually is..its hard to explain I’m technically not theorizing anything this is all public information I just said hey there are similarities here so let’s take a look.

So N tee way, Justin Drew Bieber was born march 1st,1994

Kim Jongin was born January 14th, 1994

(ps his ears looked so big as a baby but now they look so tiny off topic sorry)

Justin was raised by a single mother, 

Jongin was not though he has said at some point that it was just him and his mom living in Seoul when he left to pursue his dancing dream.

(there is no photos of them from this time but here’s a photo from around that time? I really don’t know)

Both their lives changed in 2008.

Justin at 13 was signed to Scooter Braun(who interestingly enough would later end up selling his artists to a Korean label what are the odds) and Usher.

Jongin at age 13 won S.M entertainment’s Youth Best contest(what a stupid name). 

There is no specific date for this, for this but sometime during the 2000s Jongin went to an Usher concert(his words not mine.) He was never specific about this but apparently it affected him so much he said he wanted to be able to have stage presence that woo’d women like Usher and Justin Timberlake.

Oh crap this is so funny, turns out Justin Timberlake and Usher were actually fighting to sign Justin Beiber, but Usher won out and became his mentor(Thank God). But they are still cool there’s no beef

Also Usher took a photo with his ex at the Met Gala what is going on

the matrix is matrixing, okay this is a sign I’m onto something

Okay so just small personality things. After doing research I realized shockingly that I didn’t know a lot of things about Justin even though his life is kind of an open book.

Firstly I couldn’t find the photo but I swear there was a childhood photo of Justin with his hair just like Kai’s but I can’t find it his hair was blonde with black highlights

sort of like this

While Jongin had black hair with blonde highlights

So Justin is even more obsessed with kids than Kai is, I know I was shocked but he is. 

A lot of times when I saw photos of him with children he wasn’t related to the kids at all nor did he know the parents though this was a family friend’s child I think. 

He’s done like a lot of make a wish’s and charity things related to children. It’s easy to say it’s a front but I honestly don’t think it is. The amount of times he’s stopped on the street or in a restaurant and introduced himself and interacted with kids who don’t even know who he is that’s a lot of effort for just an act.

Jongin’s philosophical adoration for children is also well known so much so as it’s basically apart of his brand at this point.

the main diffference would be because of how celeb culture is. Celebs being stopped and people going up to them isn’t really a thing so how an idol acts off of professsional studio camera’s is really anybody’s guess. So I’m not really sure the history of Kai’s interactions with kids but...that’s another thread point is they both really like kids.

They both really like and were inspired by Mj. Now this is kinda iffy like almost every celeb is but hey it’s just an observation

Weirdly Kai doesn’t talk about this much now and days there’s only a few comments he made about him at the begining of his career. And a...anyway he is inspired but in his own words he doesn’t want to be him or be too compared too him..I still think it’s strange he said that considering..other things anyway 

The oddball one

In 2019 Jongin starting performing confession.

 It was most likely inspired by Usher’s confession.

 I definitely think it was inspired by that confession because of the hats. (cause usher confessions is about cheating and getting caught (just some historical context.) )

 With what the lyrics of the song was about, the choice of hats didn’t really make sense. Though I don’t think the whole thing was strictly about being like Usher or an rnb type performer, just the aestetic came off that way.

Also the performance style was similar to Justin beiber’s (minus the dancing)

 (I mainly mean the chain, being shirtless and the tattoos)

but all rnb dudes do the same so.. 

(also I’ll get to the tattoo’s later cause that’s also interesting)

They both have had cornrows and dreads in similar styles.

Now I will say the only minute difference is that Justin had his hairstyle as just that a hairstyle. He simply wanted to, as a person making his own decisions, get a traditionally black hairstyle even going to a black person to get it done. Jongin is a kpop idol and it isn’t known who or what made him get these hairstyles....

orrr at least that’s the common belief the truth is...a bit different. From multiple hours of deep research I was able to determine from a large collection of internet receipts that exist in the abyss of websites that are so old my mom probably knows what they are..Jongin actually braided his own hair..pretty much everytime you see a photo of him with them... at least a large majority of the time. This does make sense. Because the quality of his braids are different in different photographs(hairstylists would be more consistent). Sometimes they are very neat other times a little sloppy. 

I assume he took them out because I found old tweets saying ‘thank God he took them out’ but weeks later in a performance he would have them in. I must admit that’s like a lot, having to braid his own hair and then perform, that’s no joke. So to dismiss him just being a typical wave rider/cultural appropriater just trying to look cool, baby who has that type of patience not many people.

So they both have a similar appreciation for black culture...not going any deeper that’ll be for another thread

Ironically right after complementing them I have to say another tid bit that they both have video’s of them saying the N word. Blah blah blah, it’s not hating or exposing just listen. It’s weird because these video’s had have taken place in very similar time frames between 2010-12ish. Also both videos existed but resurfaced around 2014-2015ish. That’s super duper strange. I won’t link the vids cause then people will be like your hating..I’m not I don’t care they were kids who cares. The N word is said approximately a billion times a day in middle schools across america I don’t have the energy to hate on other people. I’m just saying big picture what are the odds. 

I won’t put the links cause that’s just petty,

Also last one in 2018 Justin let go of his bleach blonde hair and buzzcut and grew his natural dirty blondeish hair back

He embraced his imperfections and became more natural and laid back

This one is tricky cause kpop idols change their hair like the wind changes direction but for a minute Jongin had his hair in a similar dirty blonde mullet style

also I won’t post the photos with him bare faced because the kpop community acts like facial blemishes are cursed and if you post an idol with acne you’re hating but he actually went to fashion week with little to no makeup on. Touch ups on his photos and some minor concealor aside he wasn’t wearing makeup. Which is interesting cause he’s usually does do full face contour but in 2018 he was more natural.

LAST THING..that I can think of, idk i’m tired I did this while doing a whole bunch of other stuff today.

So this one is a bit..all over the place just keep an open mind.

So Justin is an open and very vocal christian..very.  There is for a reason but...that’s for another time. A reason aside from the he just made some mistakes or his family forced him, it’s way deeper than that.

Jongin is...not. At best he is one of those people who just stays away from talking about religion and tries not to even discuss it in passing. Which I have theories on why this is but that’s for another day, I’m honestly too tired to get into that. He’s a complicated person. Anyway. We’re just looking at the facts rn.

In 2018 Justin beiber around september? idk. He was doing what he does. Just singing on the street about Jesus to anyone who would listen. Anyone who has done even slight research will know around 2017 Justin had a faith crisis and got super duper close to this celebrity pastor Carl lentz who...yeah just look it up anyway they were so close Justin even moved in with Carl’s family for a little bit. So 2017-2018 was definitely a religious awakening sort of point in Justin’s life.

Also this is just observation, it’s not anything concrete everyone is welcome to believe anything they want. If you want to believe it’s all a coincidence, by all means please do. I literally just do this cause my brain is a rollercoster and this is funner than watching t.v. It’s not that deep

So December 28th 2018, I wasn’t privy to any of this info cause I took a 2-3 year break from kpop cause I wanted decent grades and a social life and Kpop got in the way of that so I just forgot it existed. Then I took a break cause I needed to focus on myself and blahblah blah. Any recently before months starting school in the fall I decided to do a deep dive and catchup with all that happened. So I wasn’t blinded by the daily drama or gossip or emotions that make fans unable to see synchronicities and little details. From what I can tell around that time the biggest thing concerning people’s thoughts toward Kai was his perpetual habit of being a tease onstage. Like I get it but I dunno like I’m a dance/performance head so like that’s normal for dancers like the more theatrical the better. The dance community is literally always gassing one another up male or female like yas be sassier, more hips, pose, slay. It’s normal I just don’t get people oversexualizing him for that, it’s supposed to be fun. But I digress. Anyway I noticed that in one of his performances for tempo he was wearing a cross, I wasn’t sure if this was simply for fashion purposes so I just figured it was and ignored it.

then I found this and realized that probably wasn’t it

Active faith is a christian sportwear company worn by many christian athletes

So what does this prove...nothing really it’s just interesting. 

Anyway then I found that days before during another performance he wore another crucifix looking necklace

Now where am I going with this...just wait. I still didn’t know what to make about it. 

Except I kind of do. So on the 25th of December in 2018 post or pre dating scandal at this point I really don’t know. He was doing an instagram live

https://youtu.be/v7pVauY3QO8

I could say what I heard but.. I feel as if you watch it and read everything I put and do a little of your own research you will know why I put this here if you watch it and notice nothing..don’t even worry about it. I can’t spoonfeed.

Lastly there is his live in 2019 after one of exo’s concert. Again this isn’t about this so I’m not going into detail I’m just trying to like group this thought of mine together with why I feel how I feel.

He was talking about his tattoo’s and also these tattoo’s that he had were portraits of animals which justin also has. It’s not in the same order, not all of the same animal but I did notice both him and justin had falcon’s? eagles? idk something like that, along with a flurry of other animals at least two land animals and at least I think..I’m so tired

the only difference is that Justin has a decorative cross on his forearm that kai didn’t have

oh wait

yeah now I’m done. I literally didn’t even know this starting this, Justin has like a million tattoo’s and I just saw this one. The matrix is really matrixing

Exactly, why are women caring what any biomale movement is talking about when other movements exist without caring anything about female issues at all? It's very sad and indicative needing some type of male validation to feel a certain way.

Women on TikTok are talking about 4B but refuse to read the SCUM manifesto because it’s “transphobic” and “radical feminism isn’t nothing without our trans sisters!”

Yeah, that 4B isn’t gonna work for you honey. Can’t even read a book. Can’t stop pandering to males because you don’t want to hurt their feelings. Mission already failed..

its more like my slightly edited polite artsy journal. Cant be completely honest but its good enough.

this blog is not a well-curated museum. it's my bedroom & i'm putting things on my shelf & taping things on the wall

Did nct ever make sense financially:

But I want to explain why though

Nct was started as a group with infinite members. The goal was to have a male akb48

That being said the financial success of akb48 depended on the members doing various activities OUTSIDE of the group with an emphasis on practical safe and relatively inexpensive projects= consistent returns on investment.

Also the group's success depended on the group being well, actually successful.

S.m's marketing strategy is the opposite. The group is successful just by virtue of existing, they will get million invested in them regardless.

The group at least was thought of since the early 2010s when most of their members join. We know the group did not have a name and was simply a large collection of male trainee's. The group was basically a basket to keep their trainee's inside of. Don't worry if you do not make it into xyz group you can go to Nct.

Johnny was originally going to be a member of exo and was later placed in Nct, not the first round but in a later unit nct U.

It's actually very odd the thought and financial process of nct. Because unlike with akb48 it was not the direct intention to have the members do other projects and have seperate careers. It is the method of s.m to have people in groups for a majority of their career and then they can do other things. Unless you are lucky.

Also akb48 built up over time. It is a very old group, whereas nct gained lots of members quickly and the direction wasn't always decided or clear.

Like Akb48, Nct or SRB14 had a more direct and connected with the public image. They were not exo who were meant to be distant to create intrigue. They all had a pretty nice and approachable personality.

"AKB48 was founded as "idols you can meet".[4]Japanese idols are entertainers/performers who appeal directly to fans for support. Close interactions between fans and idols allow idols to cultivate and maintain loyal fan followings."

You won't remember Exo having a group youtube channel with weekly vlogs or having so many varieties even though they were a smaller group. Each group has a specialized team and marketing style.

AKB48 like nct had specialized teams as well

"According to former member Misaki Iwasa, each team has its own theme. Team A represents freedom; Team B is idol-like, with cute costumes, and Team K has a strong, powerful image"

AKB48 was very successful and had their own theater which would cut down on costs. The concepts were also more down to earth, they are more a performance troupe than an idol group. The focus is on entertaining the fans

Nct being a boy group inside of the kpop industry had a lot of competition and also they didn't have much of a pull besides having lots of members. They still had to travel and book venues and sellout stadiums to break even. Because boy bands are made to impress and show out. Of course lots of money is spent on expensive music videos, hotels, lots of staff, appearances at awards shows, top fashion for each member. Which is fine for a small group, but when the members keep growing and growing every year eventually getting into double digits; almost half the size of AKB48 in almost 1/3rd the amount of time, how is that sustainable?

It's not.

Simply put the more employees a company gains the more they spend paying their employees. If NCT is a company and the staff and members are the employees, then almost every year their costs increased. Even when they had good years, it was offset by the fact that their money would be paying for another unit. This is why s.m ent went so long without any other groups. And when they finally made a new group they took members already in NCT.

Add in the fact that there are some artists getting paid and sitting on the bench. They cannot afford to add them into a project or promote them. They can only bet on people they know will bring in money.

If they had brand new people that would be adding more and more people to the payroll, which at this point they likely can't afford. They would need a new project with already existing employees and have them double their workload--since they are the main ones bringing in money anyway, recycle in-house music and producers, and garner outside forces investing money on this dumpster fire to create something that would be profitable for the company. Send them to America so you can rack up the prices on tickets and merch cause Koreans sure won't go for this.

And...........that's how you get super m

okay now I'm done.

Also one more thing, the artists are not making money off the music, they make money other ways.

Spotify also takes a lot from the artists

Please, please stop streaming (too much music fries your brain) and bulk buying(is awful for the environment). The music industry has been dead, these artists are literal slaves. Good day.

How could I forget

Twilight analysis duh

i can tell half these fans watched the show like 2 times

aint no way the debate almost 20 years later is kataang or zutara? They were kids, uneducated, living on the run, traumatized children. Who were later placed in child marriages by the writers to appease adults who thought they looked kawaii together. This is sick.

Katara will forever trying to be her mother stuck in time, Zuko will forever be afraid of his shadow and reflection and Aang will always be that child with more pain than he can handle. I hate people who barely know these characters talking about ships and romances. They are so much more than that. The creators cant even delve into the characters because the fans catch a tantrum every time they do something adult or imperfect. Can't wait for the animated films to come out hope its ultra realistic and crushes everyones fantasies. These kids are warriors but people think they are cutie pies.

The show is spiritual above all else yet people only talk about this mess. Like tai chi is a real thing. Energy bending is a real thing. Katata does reiki heaking, Zuko's heat breath its a style of yoga, Aang being vegeterian and his love for animals that comes from universal oneness. Appa and momo are shown as concious beings.

So much to discuss, yet the focus is in a 2 dimensional understanding of relationships.

Guru patik was correct attachment especially to the false ideal of love via romance is stupid. The irony of Aang dying to save Katara is that honestly if given the choice over her father and brother or grandmother or Aangs life.. she wouldnt do the same for him. The love was misguided. Which is exactly the lesson of the story. But people think that choosing romance over your own soul is good. No it makes you a fool. Aang betrayed his own self and he died for it. Notice he only mastered the avatar state after he realized the others werent serious like he was cause in the end it was his life. And none of them would of fought the firelord for him. Even if they did they wouldnt of lasted five minutes. Zuko and katara could barely handle Azula. And then they only beat her because she had a whole breakdown. Only momo was with him until the end. This is why I hate fanservice it gives shippers to much to go off of.

female authors and men who recommend them

everytime a woman says they are only reading a book or consuming certain media cause a male pop star said he personally likes it my heart fades away all of woman kind weeps

It can be true but the patriarchy is strong enough no need to even say stuff like that.

Especially cause a lot of times the books are written by female authors. I wonder is it is the fame association or the fact that its men giving stuff validity. I think the goal of men reading women centric work is to understand women better and the fans want to know what the guy likes but many never give an actual opinion.

Even if they did the point is to form your own opinion which will never be the same as a mans not really.

4 example a looooong time ago when I was a teen kji was still recommending books to fans back when fans read actual books. A lot of girls got sprung by the fact that he read a korean translation of me before you

( I only watched the movie and ended up reading the second book cause finnick from hunger games and khalessi from game of thrones was in it) but it was a big deal at the timw.

Now and days it is really not in the sm ent image to be intellectual for some reason, I suppose fans don't like that idk.

Many thought of it as a...indicator of him being..idk romantic.

Which..is possible but actually looking back in his old interviews he basically said he mainly read books to imagine himself in the main role he said this many times.

So he generally has little interest reading books he wouldn't want to be in. Me before you was a tragic romance which is basically his entire acting career. Andante, he cared for ill people the entire drama and his girlfriend who passes away. Spring has come, he cared for his girlfriends family and eventually his sick mother. Miracle that we met, literally played an angel...guardian angel..like that's very obvious.

Even the superm show as we wish where for like the first time ever the managers said the members get to create the mini dramas they want to star in.

Mark even reenacted his parents engagement story. Kji ended up doing a tragic romance that included memory loss and a car accident. It lowkey is neverending cause he even made it clear he hates romance but talked about a romance movie from the 70s he watched....where the fiance died.

Bonus round he only has writing credits on one song and it makes a reference to this movie. A very obvious reference.

Some people like what they like for very specific reasons. Even if you read the book or watch the movie you can't feel how they felt while consuming that same thing. It is good to pass on likes or learn of new things from people but its your own personal experience that matters.

I love watching golden girls because I think old people are like large adult babies who can talk, most people would never know thats basically the only reason I watched the show so many times.

This stuff although is there to just figure out but I think many assume korean is so hard to understand and confusing we must rely on social media to tell us who the kdolls are. 1stly tv interviews say much more than fansubs and fandoms. Many people do say a lot about who they are but many people read more fanfic than interviews. Some read both but the fandom version is more fun. I can say this cause I read kpop fanfic since like 2014 neve got in the way of like me knowing real personalities and fandom creations. This is shots fired for some people at least but kji isn't really shy..sm made him shy. He was super go getting and excited back in 2012 . Some may disagree that this was fake and the real him is shy, but I disagree, outside of Korea is usually when he's more talkative both to strangers and in general. Now it's reserved for the fans and outside of that he was typically mum. Nobody saw that kji again until at least a year into super m. Not simply clowning around but speaking his peace and defending himself and sharing his opinions.

In super m he got to be loud and obnoxious without censor because that's "American style" promotion. Cool guys can also be funny and total jerks yet still well liked in America.

yes he is an anxious person but not shy and introvert is a stretch.

Shy baby bear jongin at least to the degree it's been sold is giving noona fanservice I'm sorry. Anyone can be shy at any given moment but shy as in a personality trait is a bit much for anyone who's an idols and literally interacts with new people everyday.

I LOVE pseudoscience and feel like many things in pseudoscience are very accurate and have a lot of truth in them. But personality tests are iffy at best and go only surface level of what makes up a person. I also don't believe the basis of the test is ... good either

It's important to note that it was made to pigeon hole women more than actually discover who a person truly was on the inside.

Those personality test are inaccurate on multiple levels, please research many books debunking the extrovert introvert myth similar to animals personality changes with environment and comfortability. The same shy person in New York can be an extrovert in Los Angeles. Also personal experiences can craft a person's being extroverted or introverted. It's not a 100 percent set thing that can't change...complete myth..one that America and a lot of first world countries have latched onto in the name of faux tribalism.

For multiple reasons I keep referring to other sources to expound upon the fact that it gives me major ick people can't see how gross the origins of a Eurocentric world war two control device to dehumanize women SHOULD NOT be used as an accurate test of any kind and it's based off of a very immoral and inhuman type of thinking. I highly recommend reading this for appropriate cultural scope. I think it's better explained by these author's.

CNN

How Koreans fell in love with an American World War II era personality test | CNN

If you stroll through Seoul, you might come across four letters popping up time and again, emblazoned on ads or peppered into daily conversa

The craze to me was honestly a bit scary with how many people quickly latched onto these labels and identified themselves like, for so many reasons nooo! It's really ick to me for lots of reasons, yes it's fun but many people label idols like this. Rare types and common types, introverts and extroverts and it's like the idols begin to play more into the roles they were assigned.

Jongin being branded as an introvert(the offstage version of exo kai still a character btw) was to I believe sell a certain image to the fans. Introverts don't go out to clubs and party with girls and their friends, they stay quiet and text on bubble and act like they are texting their middle school clique. It always gives I don't know anybody here guys come get me. Yet that obviously can't happen but it creates that illusion and further deepens the bond.

At a certain point kji just stopped really saying much cause the bear bear image is what people cared about. I remember early on he explained how much he didn't like fanservice but he would try to get better. Basically I think he may have liked the book because of it having a caretaker in it and he likes that caretaker role. Most visible when he's with kids.

He as a person has that as a strong part of his character. I wish people would try to look at things a little deeper. If one does feel the need to get something or consume something just like their fave did at least maybe one form your own opinion and enjoy your own personal experience first and foremost but also understand why that other person likes that thing. People like men written by women more than the women who write them. Understand it takes a lot of positive influence from women to make a man like that. I.e the mother and other older female role models.

kpop fans and morality is an interesting combo. People actively s*xualize people who at times debut looking legitimately 14, act younger than they really are, yet fans will say the most dehumanizing things, read horror stories about them on ao3 yet still with they dense selves can't look from above the situation and realize wait maybe they are into stuff that WE the fans find weird because THEY the artists have been misused and dehumanized and relate to stories of mistreated young people. People wanna be the victim so bad. So sorry but stans are not on the right side of history no matter how you flip it. I've seen those weird fancalls, kdolls are treated like actual dolls, them being grown isn't even a thought on the fans mind unless its for their entertainment. Yes most likely they find solace in twisted things that match their twisted lives. The big tell is throwing bad 'idols' away then holding the other good well behaving idols close, like thats a human being shouldn't of been worshipping a person anyway. Asking any grown person to act 5 and shimmy shimmy/ do fanservice when they grew up looking up to pop stars thinking they too were gonna be well respected by their fans is probably giving many idols psychological breakdowns. Not surprised one bit if many watch disturbing content its very common with people who had their childhoods taken away. Sadly kpop fans have such a big head because the companies act like they can't do any wrong. I think some like being angry just so the idol can do some big apology its at least some type of feeling they have control over the idol. Its cool to drop people but its the underlying superficial reasoning behind it. Defending a grown person is a waste they can stand on their own two feet but its the bigger issue I'm worried about. Like the irony of wanting to protect young people but supporting kpop

I'm sorry but no the idea people can have big moral guns concerning art(never seen the show but I'd be shocked if its worse than the 1st season of berserk) but not with kpop companies and idols telling you they using kids and working them til they ready to pass out..but thats okay..telling you they train young idols to seduce noonas and oppas..and thats okay its simply seen as a cultural difference. When idols cry about missing their families and falling behind in life +not having kids whenever they initially said they would but to the public that's cool cause at least they are successful. The sm basement jokes are plentiful..kids in basements sweating, not eating and being taught how to be romantic with other young people for fans so they'll buy they future albums...this is seen as okay as well....but they should not relate to art about misused young people ...uhm no life don't work like that sorry. Same reason why kids in america relate to hunger games they don't like totalitarian government and survival of the fittest THEY ARE LIVING IT GENIUS!