This Makes Me Think Of All The Pokemon Juries I Watched Take Place In The Anime And Games. Have To Say

Not now, Herobrine.

Of all the things I expected to see today, this was not one.

So, I got an idea in my head a while ago involving Alastor not being a sinner. Or, at least not a sinner in the same sense every other sinner is. And the idea was NO ONE knew, not even Alastor, till someone related to Charlie came along and asked "huh... Is he actual -something else-?"

And, I kind of like the idea that there are sinners that can never be redeemed, not because of never being able to repent for the horrendous acts they committed in life, but because I feel there are some sinners who didn't do horrible stuff but can't be redeemed because they are MENT to be residents of hell like the hell-born.

After all acultism, soul contracts, and demonic rituals are a thing in the Hell_of_a_Boss/Hazbin_Hotel and who is to say there aren't people forever bound to hell one way or another because of this.

So, i wrote the idea into a fic to try and set my ground rules! And below is the fic.

If you have the time, maybe give it a read and tell me what you think?

Ok, so, just watched the season 4 specials, and wow that is a ride.

I'm not going to spoil what happened, but I want to talk about something at the end that i believe links into who the next "big bad guy"(s) is/are.

So, potential spoiler warning, go watch the specials and come back here once your done!

What I am referring to specifically is this image and something Wukong said.

Now, lets get down to business.

During the final confrentation Wukong said something to Azure that could only mean one thing to me. He basically implied he killed Azure back in the past.

But, if that was the case, there is no way Azure should be top side. And unlike my belief that Wukong didn't kill Mac, in this case, I have to believe Wukong killed Azure. Wukong's confusion and questions along with Azure's own recognition that something is wrong and that he was used can only point to the lion's death.

But if that is the case, how was he top side? How did he escape the Diyu?

This will not surprise anyone who has read the journey to the west, the source material for a lot of the Lego Monke Kid past and characters, but, only one person ever went into the Diern and escaped back to the mortal coils. And that was the Monkey King, as shown in Mac's explanation of Wukong's past.

And this vissage looks strikingly familiar to the temple we see at the end, to the point it has to be the same place. Plus some of the individuals who were in the scene were interacting with more pieces of the scroll that was used, specifically referring to it as the "scroll of memories".

The backstory imagery, Wukongs statement of Azure being dead, as well as this scene linking the scroll back to this place can only point to one thing for me.

The Diyu's 10 kings are the next bad guy.

That place can only be the Diyu, the image is shown when Mac is referring to Wukong's travels into the realm of the dead and removing his name from the leger. And with Azure being dead and the scroll seemingly being the property of the Diyu, and the Diyu being damb spiteful about keeping it's souls in the land of the dead unless they reincarnate there is no way of any of this happening unless the 10 kings set this up. They let Azure out of the Diyu with the scroll in hopes of achieving something.

And based on Azure's almost continuous hate and desire to kill Wukong till Wukong pointed out the problem the only reason I can think they would do it is exactly that they wanted Azure to kill Wukong.

It makes sense after all, the 10 kings were humiliated by Wukong in the original story and they likely would have wanted to get back at Wukong. But why now? Why over likely 1000 years later? Well, part of it likely relates to Wukong trashing the place and it taking them time to get the place back in order. The other reason, I think, relates to them thinking Wukong would be weak enough for Azure to take him down. We all remember how beat up and drained Wukong was for all of season 3, and while time had likely passed between seasons 3 and 4 it probably wasn't a lot of time. So, maybe once the 10 kings got word of what happened they searched for a soul to use to achieve their goal, kill Sun Wukong.

I don't think they expected their plan to go so far off the rails and almost destroy the universe, but I am positive they wanted Wukong dead.

So, I expect season 5 will either be the group having to protect Wukong from even more of his old enemies trying to kill/kidnap him, or having to rescue Wukong again, this time from the Diyu.

I can't be sure though, and if this all is the case that they were trying to kill Wukong, it is entirely possible my believe Wukong didn't kill Mac is wrong and the Diyu was trying to use LBD to get rid of Wukong, potentially multiple times and tried to use Mac as a tool to make it happen!

Also, Mac being so tight liped about what happened to fully push apart Mac and Wukong even now, makes me hope we will see it if/when Wukong and Mac finally fully apologise to each other and start rebuilding their relationship. What wukong did with Mac in the ending scene makes me think Wukong wants to try the two's friendship again, but I can't be sure.

However, I need to ask, what do you all think?

Comment below your thoughts.

Well, this is a good book so far.

Major Phil/egg lore has happened! If you have not watched the streams /vods and don't want to be potentially spoiled go watch Monday and wensdays vods!

Ok, so Monday Phil gets on and Forever yells for help saying something about a freezer, so Phil takes tubbo and heads to the facility where Tubbo was frozen in ice. Upon getting there they were confronted with a federation guard (WB017) who basically tried to force the two off the property. Phil eventually tried to the distract the guard (which he achieved) while Tubbo snuck in (which failed due to Admins tping him out). During this Phil learned some new lore, but nothing of major ramification. Mostly conformation of things that had been in a partial state of confusion.

After that Phil went to check on Forever, who was back at his base safe, but acting "sad but determined".

Some time later though a message pops up in chat saying Forever died to a neither mob so Phil and a group of others run to the order's portal and find a strange device on it that has the same blue coloration as BadBoyHalo. During this the group decided to try the Freezer place again to try and figure out what is going on. They get in and get down to the lowest level which had surprisingly been completely fixed up but had a black concrete wall that the group broke through to find a hall that soon filled with mobs. After clearing out the mobs the group found a strange chamber with biomes in test tubes and some experiment logs from the federation, before being chased out by the guard using a gun.

I don't remember anything else important happening that day.

Wednesday is when sh** hit the fan.

First things first Fit came and told Phil about a new location found near Walter Bob's home as well as some more lore he missed. (nothing major I believe.) After which Phil and Fit decide to go mess with Tubbo and Fred (WA02)'s movie "date".

After That, Phil goes off exploring, which turns into Capibara time.

Once Phil decides to go home he sees Cellbit is on and goes off to info dump on the man all the stuff Phill has been saving up for the man. Afterword Cellbit takes Phil to to his castle to have the man chose one of the 4 gods he has in his magic room. Of course Phil chooses Death (Kristen you are loved and the best lady death ever! Though I kinda wish he had chosen blood if only as a tribute to Techno. (side note, I want someone to sneak into the blood room and add Techno in just as a nod to the blood god.)).

After that, when Phil went to head off to bed for the night, he decided to check his base's black concrete to find that a potato had replaced Chayanne's gapple and that the book in the chest now had coordinated in it for Chayanne's pumpkin patch. Which now had a black concrete patch and a chest with a glitchy picture of Chayanne (and yes, it was Chayanne; we could see his egg.) as well as coordinates to Tallulah's flower field that had a new black patch of concrete with a chest holding a Glitchy picture of Tallulah.

Phil's Eggs Are Alive! 100% surviving and telling that to their Dad!

And oh, did this rile Phil and Chat up (you could see the anger in the Voices screaming "blood for the blood god," and as a fellow voice, I would have joined the choir if I had watched this live (my schedule does not link to me being able to watch this live usually)).

Phil them went and showed this to Cellbit and Bad, leading to a long chat about what could be going on.

After this, a chat about the tickets occurred, especially about why Phil's ticket was unique. When Slime got online, they decided to check with him about the man's ticket because he was one of the few people the group had no ticket info on. In the process of checking Slime's ticket, which was unique having slime on it (which is typical for Slimecicle), they met JuanaFlippa (who is a code or at least code infected if their speech pattern is any indication) and they seem to be Infecting Slime as well!

After spending time with Smile and his ?Egg? Phil IRL got distracted by his neighborhood Cat for a bit before ending stream after leaving a new note to Chayanne and Tallulah, basically asking them to tell him anything they can about what is going on.

And gods if all that isn't Insanity then I don't know what is!

But this proves the eggs should be okay and leaves only one Egg unaccounted for in a photo. This being Leo.

So now there are potentially 3 mysteries! What is the federation up to with those experiments? How do we save the eggs? And, What happened to Forever?

Let's hope there is some news Friday.

Wow, I like this idea.

ok so. I may have made designs for Every Single Minecraft effect [except glowing because its already visible and invisibility cause. yknow]

I completely agree with this, and it is't just a thing in the LMK universe. It was also somewhat of a thing in the original Journey to the West.

Wukong always worked to deal with a problem in a way to make sure it would not cause more problems to himself, his group, or the wider world in the future. Problem though? Others didn't like the way Wukong dealt with things or just pain undervalued Wukong and wanted to shove him in a corner out of the way.

(I'll be using OSP as a show of this)

First off Wukong was actually not trying to cause the wider world problems in the beginning, he was a new born creature that caused an oops because hey he was a new born and then became leader of his (her? I ask this because I've heard the type of monkey used as the basis for the monkeys of Wukong's home have a matriarchy) tribe. And after having an existential crisis (which you have to admit everyone has!) Wukong decided to go out into the world to make himself stronger, introduce himself, and Including getting immortality. Yes he is a show off, but what person doesn't't somewhat want to show of their powers in someway! Then for some reason people start messing with his tribe! Of course the guy is going to deal with the people messing with his tribe! And instead of just stopping the immediate problem wukong does 2 things, preps his people for the future by teaching them to fight and preps himself for the future by getting proper armor and weapons. Also, the dragons offer Wukong weapons when he goes to him. The problem was none of them fit his style of fighting and he eventually chose a polar because that fit his fighting style the best. The Dragon's we're only scared of Wukong after Wukong proved to be stronger then them. And they offer him things to get them on his good side and out of their property. And then he accidently scares other Damon's with his powers in his excitement. To which makes them want to get on Wukong's good side. Wukong properly planed for future problems in this case and unintentionally showed the demons why they should be scared of him.

Then what happens? The bloody Diern decides Wukongs immortality doesn't count basically and tries to steal him away to death. Can you blame the guy for fighting them and basically erasing himself from their book when that should of already been done? Erasing his people came as apart of his punishment to the Diern for messing with him when he we doing nothing wrong.

He only became a "problem" to heaven for 3 reasons (one of which comes later). Messing up the Diern (for a very good reason), unintentionally messing with the gods, and deciding to call himself "the great sage equal to heaven". So what do they do? They try and control what could be called a force of nature or carma. They do so by placing him in one position that is a waste of his talents (being a stable master), is of extremely low rank, and would clearly leave him board and unsatisfied long term. To which he retaliated, because he wanted a position befiting of his skill and calls himself the great sage equal to heaven to show them he is their equal. The gods in heaven could have taken it as a joke or reversed it to say Wukong though of them as his equals, in other words as strong fighters and rulers. But no, they thought of it as an insult to them and lead to many a fight! The second position they put him in, while more befiting, had a major problem. One you are leaving the monkey alone with their food source. Of course he was going to eat them! Wukong would be right to be mad. Plus the guy doesn't know anything about how heaven works so of course he is going to unintentionally mess up it's flow! It is't like they explained anything to him! And they did not even invite him to the festival! Maybe they had done so they could have kept an eye on him and kept him from causing more trouble!

And once he realizes, he goofed? He left heaven not to cause more trouble, because he knows he is impulsive enough to generate more. What to they do when they know Wukong caused the problem and is strong enough to beat up their people and cause havoc? They bloody go after him! Provoking Wukong into a fighting rage! If they had left it alone Wukong would have probably stayed out of the way!

Another thing that people seem to forget was that Sun Wukong wasn't the main character of the Journy to the West, or at least he wasn't meant to be. Tripitaka was meant to be the main character. Yet somehow the book always follows the Monkey kings antics.

"every major baddie problem in the lmk universe is caused by SWK not dealing with his shit properly"

expect he dealt with all the shit and i'm tired of people ignoring it to paint him as an ignorant, uncaring bastard.

(very very minor s4 spoilers, so the cut)

Demon Bull King? Got his ass whooped and was sealed away for however long years it took for an entire ass megapolis to be built literally on top of him, causing absolutely no trouble to anyone whatsoever. Oh, and what sealed DBK? The staff. And if you'd care to know SWK outside of the LEGOverse, you'd realize how strong was SWK's resolve to seal DBK - keep him relatively safe, one might say - by using his trusty staff. The guy would literally die seven times over than let go of this thing.

Also people like, ignore the fact that canonically SWK stuck around the area (for the most part to stalk MK, but still), so he was literally there to deal with the DBK family if something went southwards? He didn't, because MK was able to hold the staff and the legend of the Monkie Kid then began.

(also zero antagonistic feelings towards DBK from SWK, like, whatsoever. i bet the dude actually wanted DBK to be free, cuz he felt bad abt it)

Macaque? In a morally gray manner, still very dealt with. SWK killed the dude. He was literally as dealt with as it can be. Or what, should SWK have predicted that after thousand upon thousand of years later a spirit (he dealt with too) would pull Mac out of Diyu? Yeah, I'd like to see that thought process.

SWK isn't omnipotent, he isn't even that far-thinking. Never was, actually. So holding that against him is like, very stupid. Especially because you don't do it to any other character in the show. 

Spider Queen? Wouldja look at that, also pretty much dealt with. We don't really know how exactly, but we know that she lost literally every ounce of power she had and had to resort to living in the sewers, prolly never to cause troubles ever again because, well, we never even heard of her until the special. SQ was pulled onto the scene by the Lady Bone Demon.

Which is, again, something SWK couldn't predict even if he tried.

And now into the fun part.

Lady Bone Demon? Was sealed away by Tripitaka and also didn't cause any trouble until DBK decided to use this freaky coffin he knew literally zero things about for his plans.

"But he should've killed LBD!!!"

He tried. Believe him he tried. This decision just wasn't his, and if you hold it against him and not Tripitaka, shame on you.

"He should have told the crew about LBD!"

He really couldn't have.

And people thinking that are blatantly ignoring SWK's character. Not that obnoxious fan favorite uncaring bastard one.

SWK deals with things on his own. That is just how he is, how he always was and he never learned to do it the other way around. If that's a fight, he'll do it, because he's damn strong. If it's to scout the mountain, he'll do it, because Bajie is a lazy ass motherfucker. If it's to find food for Trip, he'll do it, cuz he's fast and his eyes are awesome.

Same applies here.

LBD? Tried to kill her and Trip didn't let me -> Basically I didn't do the job right -> WTF I always do my job right, I am Sun Wukong hello???

It was, dare I say, a question to his pride, and SWK will forever be prideful. And when he acts on his pride, he does it with style and flare, in the most stupid way possible.

Hence all of the s2 off-screen investigation arc.

"Well, he should've told about the Samadhi rings!"

It would've endangered Mei, questioned his at this point in time very shaky authority and ability to handle shit, and prolly would've fucked Mei up a very whole lot.

You don't go and say to a person that they are a part of the most dangerous seal in the world and could die and destroy everything they love because you fucked up long time ago (again, very much jabbing at his mentality of 'Sun Wukong can do no bad job, and if he does he'll better fucking die trying to make it right').

Was his plan a shitty one? Obviously. Like, no question asked, it was a shit show of a plan. Very in character, though (SWK handles all the shit because he thinks he can).

And this little character arc of SWK not learning a damn thing results in him, oh golly you would not believe it, running off to do things on his own because he thinks he can handle it, because he's THE Sun Wukong who already handled this in the past.

Who woulda thought.

MINOR S4 SPOILERS HERE

And the new addition to the baddie group, Azure Lion. Won't be addressing all 'SWK is a betraying bitch' because the show refuses to give us SWK's perspective and I hate it.

But you already know what I will say, because you know the truth. He was dealt with. Got his ass whooped and sealed away in the inky scroll. To be pulled back onto the scene by a third party that Wukong literally couldn't have known about.

See a pattern?

SWK deals with the shit, some unknown variable meddles in it, suddenly SWK is an incapable asshole who left the problems for the poor lmk crew to deal with.

Wukong did his job. Someone fucked him over by undoing his job. He tried to deal with it again the only way he knows how, but the solo play doesn't fly anymore, so he made it kinda worse.

He's not an unbearable, incapable asshole because of it.

And I'm tired of people not seeing this.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk, I am Sun Wukong Apologist till the day I die.

Have a nice day!

Ok, this is more theory craft that has been on my mind for a bit for random reasons.

If you have no interest in Hazbin Hotel, I suggest you leave this be; if you do, join me as I ask: could Alastor's dealmaker be a SIN or a hellborn?

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So, lets get down to business, most people will agree that Alastor likely came to the hotel because of his deal either to:

Stop the hotel from succeeding

Provide suport for the hotel

Keep Charlie happy

Suport Charlie

Keep Charlie safe and alive

Dissuade Charlie of her dreams

Dissuade sinners from joining the hotel

Or some combination of all of the above

As of now, we assume Alastor's deal has something to do with his seven-year disappearance from Pride. Considering Vox and his apparent obsession with Alastor and keeping an eye on him, we are assuming Alastor must not have been in Pride for the seven years he was missing.

That and with the show's and hotel's straightforward plots relating to heaven and redemption, the theory community of Hazbin points to Alastor's deal maker having to be someone with clear connections to Heaven because the only way Alastor would have been able to escape Vox's eye would be for him to have been in heaven for those seven years, and as such the leading contenders for his deal maker would have been Sera or Lilith since they are the most prominent figures that could have any of the deal reasonings apply to them.

However, there is another place i believe Alastor could have been that escapes Vox's eyes. And that, is the lower rings of Hell.

If you watch Hell of a Boss, you will notice that the lower rings do not use Voxtech items, and we do not know for now if Vox can connect to items that do not either have software he has produced or hardware he has made. So, that would mean the lower rings of hell could be a potential blind spot for Vox and a potential place Alastor could have been for his seven year absence.

"but wait," you say, "Sinners can't go into the lower rings of Hell!"

Very true! But, has it ever been explained WHY they can't go to the lower rings?

As far as I have been able to find, no. But, most theories posit that some magic prevents them from going down. But, as we have been able to see in the show, all magic seems to has some counterbalance, for example while a deal makes a soul a slave to a master it can not take up all the slave's time and the mastor can not control what the thrall does outside that time or what the thrall thinks or says unless it is part of the deal.

As such, what if there was magic that could give a sinner permision to leave PRIDE.

It would have to be someone with stronger power then that of any sinner or overlord, and the only ones higher on hell's higherarchy then sinners that could achieve this goal are the Ars Goetia, or The Seven Deadly Sins. This is considering Lilith is in heaven, Charlie never met Alastor till he showed up, and Lucifer didn't even leave his castel for ages even before the seven year time Lilith was missing till his call with Charlie.

While a Goetia forming a deal with a Sinner is just as possible, considering their views of anyone lower on the hierarchy than them, and Alastor's deal likely has something to do with giving him power, I don't think a Goetia would have likely sullied themselves with a sinner much less bring them to a lower ring.

So, it likely would had to have been a SIN.

But why?

Well, part of hell's power comes from sinners and their power flowing through hell, if I had to guess, so keeping sinners in hell would be a high priority, and a place like a hotel that could potentially remove that power source would be a massive problem for the Sins. So, having someone innocuously keep an eye on the hotel and keep it for succeeding would be necessary. And who better than a sinner and one that could scare off prospective sinners like an overlord?

On another side of the scale, most people believe that the Sins are Charlie's Aunts and Uncles, so a lot of them could potentially want to support Charlie's dream or keep her safe, even if they can't do it directly (either because of Lucifer or another reason). So, who better to do it than one of the few high-level sinners with a moral code? It would probably just take a bit of convincing; nothing a few years of stealing them away to a lower ring couldn't fix.

As for Sin, I can't say; I suspect not Mammon because he seems too lost in his sin to care about the hotel, but I can't put anything on his care for the family. Ozzie does not seem the type to sabotage, so if it were him, I would suspect more care than anything. Bee's personality makes me think care would be more likely than wanting to sabotage the hotel. I've heard Satan is a more traditionalist when it comes to the sins to sabotage would be possible. Still, I can't say anything about his family care (though if we use Vivzi's other works as a guide, I suspect Satan would not be a supporter but possibly a protector of Charlie herself). Leviathan and Belphagore are a complete mystery.

There is one last option for who the deal maker could be that I have to mention, and that is the Von Eldrich family (I can't identify which member specifically). We know they have an antagonistic relationship with Charlie, and at least the children could want Charlie's idea to fail. And they have to be a reasonably strong family to have portraits with the royal family if we use previous art as an indicator. Plus, they will likely be powerful enough to pull off the "allowing a sinner into a lower ring" potential. Also, the color palette when we see Alastor covered in strings relating to the von Eldrich family color palette does line up surprisingly well, and their looks could relate to their powers being something like the Lovecraftian horror we see Alastor using.

For now, this is just a theory. And I hope it inspires some writing and drawing. If it does, please link me.

I think this exemplifies the oddity that is XD.

“Im the Protector” - XD