I have to speak about this more clearly or I will explode because I've been having thoughts... So much thoughts about ctommy
Obviously, tommy is a victim. Everyone knows that.
But the thing about tommy is that he's a "Bad victim", and something I've noticed in the fandom is that people mischaracterize/alter ctommy to fit a narrative that'll make him a better victim, if that makes sense
When it comes to a character like cranboo, a lot of people In the fandom tend to prefer him over victims like ctommys character. And you know why?
It's because cranboo's is an easier character to "Sympathize" with. A character that's easier for you to defend compared to ctommy, and we know that with how much some people literally defend dream abusing ctommy with "But he was annoying!!" Or "He burned down George's house!!" (THE TRENCHES OF DSMPTWT DISCOURSE... 2021)
Tommy cannot keep relationships, tommy is flawed. He always has been flawed but the abuse that was done made him more flawed, he acts out, he has angry outbursts and he's easily irritable, he has abandonment issues and he works impulsively. He has more enemies than friends because everyone on the server refuses to acknowledge that a child got abused. And they refuse to acknowledge that the said child is not "acting out" but instead handling his trauma the best way/only way he can to protect himself
Tommy is more angry than sad at the world. He tries his best to not be like c!Ranboo, he doesn't always try to mend his relationships because he is *scared* of them. Because, how can he really trust them? He can't. People—The *adults* have proven him that time and time again
I absolutely adore how cc!Tommy gave us such a raw and realistic victim, accidentally or not. Since we know that 75% of the time cTommy was just cc!Tommy doing whatever on the server and accidentally getting himself into shit. ctommy is so incredibly flawed and realistic in how he acts, how he has more enemies than friends—All because of the adults on the server neglecting a child. Seeing him as mature yet not all at the same time. Getting angry and annoyed when he lashes and acts out yet almost disturbed when he finally does something "right" ("mature" and unexpected from him)
This post has gotten long but I have 2020010101728290155515167 thoughts about ctommy everyday
paces back and forth muttering they couldn’t even handle ctommy
A story in two parts ssksksksk
YES, HI, HELLO AGAIN, SORRY I JUST NEED TO ADD MORE TO THIS BECAUSE REWATCHING TWD MAKES ME TRULY CONTEMPLATE THINGS
ANOTHER THING ID LIKE TO ADD IS IF THEYRE NOT MAKING KILLER A FULL ON SLUT OR NIGHTMARE A FUCKING. HARDCORE DADDY DOM, ITS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE AND THAT DRIVES ME INSANE.
Like. Ok. It's fine to make the bad guys have a family dynamic I guess, I personally don't really fw it and I don't see it happening. But like, have fun ig. But once again this completely butcherizes Nightmare and killers dynamic AND the perception of them by the fandom.
If killer is not some horny Twink then he's this oh so disturbed character that can't fight back to his boss and he loves cats so much and he's actually an uwu sweetheart or straight up just annoying.
If Nightmare is not being sexualized (weirdly always with him having titties) than he's taking on a "dad" role with the others. And acting almost caring towards his group.
HELL. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE MAKE THE STARS ALL FUCKED UPAND HORRIBLE TO EACH OTHER (Mostly directed towards blue 95% of the time) WHILE THEY MAKE THE BAD GUYS ALL CARING TO EACH OTHER AND SOO LOYAL. AND THAT PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH BECAUSE WHEREEE DID YOU GET THAT. NM DGAF ABOUT THEM!! THE ONLY PERSON HE MIGHT CARE ABOUT WOULD BE KILLER BUT ITD BE FOR HELLA TOXIC REASONS WHICH MAKES IT SO INTERESTING.
I don't mind taking on new in interpretations but at this point it might as well just be swapdreamtale with how they're completely missing the points of each characters.
Anyways back to NIghtkiller, again, the fandom either makes them stray from their original personalitys. And I just. Chat I can't explain how insane it drives me because it's almost irreparable at this point to get people to see them as what they canonically are rather than what fanon turned them to. IDK, maybe it's because I like to make my favorite characters stick close to canon as possible and that's my own fault
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk x2
nightkiller had so much potential but yall had to turn killer into a slutty twink
day 16! apologies for the readability of this lol, but i’m kinda proud of it :)
bonus under cut:
ink: what, like screaming your head off and stamping your foot never got you anything?
error: …touché.
lmanburg tommy at the live show
HI SO, I KNOW THIS POST IS A LITTLE OLD BUT I WANT TO ADD MY OWN THOUGHTS BECAUSE YOU ARE BOTH ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
The thing that sets killer apart from the rest of the bad guys is that he's actually loyal to Nightmare. I personally like making the characters try and stay as close to canon as possible, and I don't truly think either Dust or Horror would willingly work for Nightmare. Dust canonically doesn't like killing and while Horrors a little more complex when it comes to violence—I don't think he's that much of a fan about what he's doing nor' the others. (He'd probably look down on both Dust and Killer for murdering their own Papyruses.) So, I honestly think that both Dust and Horror aren't loyal to Nightmare. And are only there because they're forced to a certain degree if that makes sense. Which is why I think Nightmare prefers killer so much more. Killer *is* the perfect right-hand man. The perfect "tool" in Nightmares eyes.
I never quite managed to accurately describe how I think their relationship would be, but you saying that killer would idolize nightmare to a degree has perfectly nailed it on the head. Because what does killer have left that isn't nightmare? Nightmare *saved* him in his eyes. Even if it was just to make him work with a deal—That's better than being left alone in a dying au. Isn't it?
Another thing I want to add is *how* I think their relationship would start. Specifically with nightmare
Dude, nightmare was brutally bullied and beaten as a child. The only positive interaction he ever truly had with someone was with dream at that time. Which is obviously now in bitter memory for him considering his relationship with his brother now. Killer would be the first person to truly idolize nightmare in the way he's craved for years.
Sure, Nightmare can terrorize aus and make others quiver and kneel before him. Force the respect out of them, but they'd never truly respect him in the way he wants. It's never genuine, just something done out of fear of him. Killer? Killer would be the first to do that but not out of fear or hope to have Nightmare leave him alone—Its done because he truly is loyal to Nightmare and genuinely respects him. Which I think might make Nightmare catch "feelings" in a way. Because now he's doing a new emotion so much more addicting than negativity to him. Because it's something he didn't realize he still desperately craved.
And even though Killer is almost guaranteed to stay loyal to Nightmare—The thought of Nightmare using killers respect and idolization against him is also fitting. Threatening to find someone more useful to him if Killer ever ends up failing a mission miserably. Or even trying to "reward" him by letting killer actually feel emotions with his soul. Give him a chance to feel anything other than utter emptiness even If it's only for Nightmare to use for his own benefit.
Thank you for coming to my own tedtalk, in conclusion NIghtkiller deserves better than what they're characterized as
nightkiller had so much potential but yall had to turn killer into a slutty twink
idea from @incorrect-undertale-multiverse
ccino!sans by black-nyanko