I Completely Agree With You, And You Are Absolutely Correct When Saying That Odysseus Is Not The Only

The same rules as the last poll apply. This has nothing to do with sexual intimacy or no. of romantic scenes. Which couples worked best together and had a natural understanding of one another.

As intellectuals, one would think the amount of times this point has been reiterated would indicate that a reasonable number of readers have developed the common sense to understand this. Considering we are all older now and aren't blinded by nostalgia, it's the only logical conclusion.

But of course, we have a large population of willfully blind people in the mix. Honestly, the state of the fandom is almost as disappointing as Rick's writing.

It is SO funny to me that some of the Percabeth/Annabeth stans are genuinely upset about wottg, because like. that's how Percabeth/Annabeth has always been with one sole exception: something to "justify" Annabeth's behavior.

For instance:

TLT: she offloads onto Percy about her hatred of Poseidon. Justification: she's 12, she's prejudiced (presumably based on myth? unclear? and she's learning how to be a person etc.

SoM: she offloads onto Percy and Tyson. Justification: Cyclops trauma (nevermind that Tyson had nothing in common with the Cyclops that scared 7 yr Annabeth other than his race).

TTC: she was barely in this book so we'll skip it.

BoTL: she offloads onto Percy and Rachel. Justification: she's jealous of Rachel, also she's in love with Luke AND Percy and is stressed about her prophecy/quest.

TLO: she offloads onto Percy about being a "coward" etc. Justification: he's spending time with Rachel destressing/managing his mental health instead of time with her at chb and she's jealous.

MoA: she offloads onto Percy aka judo flip + threats. Justification: he was missing for months and she was stressed. Nevermind that none of it was his fault.

HoH: she offloads onto Percy aka. using Rachel's name to keep him on his toes. Justification: she was in Tartarus, and therefore stressed (how this results in her actively making Percy anxious as a trauma response - I have no idea; especially when you consider that the only reason Percy is also there is to save her life)

BoO: she offloads about Percy to Piper. Justification: she's angry that Percy scared her in Tartarus while he was fighting - coincidentally against the same enemy she wasn't able to do anything but dodge while said enemy was killing Percy and planning on killing Annabeth next.

you get the point. she's consistently rude/taking her emotions out on people instead of working through it and setting healthy boundaries. there's always some reason that boils down to "I'm hurt and lashing out" that her stans use to justify her behavior.

but in wottg, Annabeth has everything she wants: her perfectly controlled boyfriend, her architecture studies and a non-stressful mission/quest from the gods.

there's no trauma to justify how she's consistently calling Percy stupid or talking down to him or being rude.

now the stans are seeing it. and some of them don't like it.

Just an experiment. Reblog if you actually give a fuck about male victims of domestic violence and rape.

Of fucking course

What sick bastard doesn’t

Do you know something that I find really curious?

Is that in Ancient Greek, Greek Mythology, and Hellenic Polytheism, even tho we don't actually have the idea of "sin" there are a few things they and therefore, hellenic polytheistics shouldn't do, but interestingly enough the only thing that is likely, highly not encouraged to do, and mostly unforgiving in Hellenism, is Húbris.

I find it really interesting and curious, because I bet Rick knew about it when he wrote PJO and still decided to give Annabeth, one of his main characters, a fatal flaw that was the closest thing of what could be considered a "sin" in Ancient Greece (the society he was basing his story on).

I'm not saying "whoa, he wanted to make something." My personal opinion is that he just doesn't care, just like he doesn't care to make a better adaptation of the Gods, but I still find it interesting enough to rant about it.

+ it is really concerning see people treating her fatal flaw as something positive and to be cheered on, even in the literal book narrative, when in fact, It is not.

Excessive pride can be a sign of a narcissist behavior, what can lead to dangerous situations or to toxic relationships. And I see Rick playing too much with this edge in Perccabeth dynamics.

(I'm not saying she is narcissist, tho. I believe I have to make this as clear as possible here. There is a difference of having a trace of narcissism, and be diagnosticaded with it.)

Just to finish my thoughts, when I realized Perccabeth lost all the sparkle for me was when I've read one meta about someone who didn't like Annabeth's behavior towards Percy a long time ago. At that time I was an avid Perccabeth shipper, but I basically sat and tought about it, and made a mental exercise: If Percy was a woman, and Annabeth was a man, would their interactions still be considered cute and perfect in a relationship?

That was when I realized, no, it wouldn't be. And that was it for me.

No, I completely get it. I myself was a Percabeth shipper, I think everyone was at one point as most of us read these books at a young age. I am glad that all of us are seeing massive problems with the many canon relationships and other aspects of Riordan's terrible writing.

You give Rick Riordan too much credit. If you have checked out any recent pjo books, you can see how terrible the continuity is and how one dimensional the characters are becoming. So he certainly did not take into account the gravity of Annabeth's fatal flaw, it's repercussions or even it’s connotations in Greek myths.

Annabeth is, as I have said before, a character that always devolves through the lack of change in her attitude and the behavioral inconsistencies. She admits to her fatal flaw and how it endangers her in some instances but then never brings it up again. Doesn't do anything to actively improve on it either.

Her overall attitude remains condescending, judgemental, and heavily hypocritical. And that is putting it mildly.

The fact that she made Percy apologize for getting kidnapped against his will and then having his memory wiped out.

She repeatedly made negative or demeaning comments on his intelligence.

This should be enough of a giveaway in the first place.

Not to mention her horrifying treatment of Rachel and lack of remorse for it. Not a single apology made for it either. Or to Percy for acting as if she owned him.

Furthermore, her consistently violent actions. Now, even if they don't hurt Percy, it's still an extremely unhealthy manner of expressing her emotions.

Her repeated defense of Luke despite him putting Percy in mortal danger and attempting to kill Percy each time. Before anyone quotes they had a bond, they were family, I know, I do but by that time she had seen him do so multiple times and Thalia was family too, she understood right away that Luke was too far gone.

I also dislike the tendency of Rick and, therefore, the fandom to put Annabeth on a pedestal of she can do wrong. I have made multiple posts highlighting how Percy is canonically a better strategist than Annabeth and how Annabeth is certainly not the smartest demigod. Most knowledgeable, perhaps, but not the smartest.

To all the shippers, everyone agrees that the closest we get to absolutely perfect characterization of Percy is in Son of Neptune and Son of Sobek and the short story The Stolen Chariot. And the most obvious common thing between all these is the lack of Annabeth.

I am not saying Annabeth would ruin the book, but she does ruin Percy's character. Rick is so busy hyping her up for no absolute reason that it ends up demeaning Percy irrationally and illogically. And it happens every time.

Even if you blame later book characterizations of Annabeth on Rick Riordan's terrible writing, her early characterization had the same flaws. They are just now overtly apparent in the most recent books.

If the genders were reversed, this would be the paragon of a toxic relationship. I understand that there are excruciatingly few balanced heterosexual relationships that actually do it right and that the extreme nostalgia makes it hard for us to acknowledge any flaws on it but that's no reason to falsely advertise it as the perfect relationship. Not even close.

Not just due to these reasons but also because they have nothing in common nor do their goals align, and it's also a bit of a case of trauma bonding. Again, I have made individual posts on almost all these points

I don't think there's anything more that needs to be said on this matter, really, but feel free to ask.

what are your 10 favorite quotes and 10 underrated klayley scenes?

Favorite quotes:

"I really don't know what to do and I really wish you were here to tell me, little wolf."

"Can't you see I am going out of my mind here, Marcel, look at what they have done to Hayley."

"I have given you a thousand reasons to abandon me, but you haven't yet. So, thank you."

"You said you saw my father, what did he say to you?" "Nothing true"

"I am sorry the start of her life was so violent." "It's not your fault, Klaus, I know you fought for us"

"This family comes with many hardships but there is one benefit, you will always have a home here."

"I won't give up on you, Klaus."

"But, you mark my words, if you ever betray her, I will find you, and I will deposit your head at the end of a spike. Perhaps I'll leave it in your grandmother's garden?"

"Being kind does not make you weak, Klaus."

"Enough, he let Hayley die."

Scenes: (You said underrated hence these don't include all of my favorites but I love these just as much) Also these aren't in any specific order.

1)The scene in the wood clearing where he apologies to hayley and thanks her for not abandoning him.

2)When he is consoling her after she becomes a hybrid and finds it hard to cope.

3)Hayley and Klaus talking about when he was trapped and Klaus let's her know how it scares him to be locked up in a place.

4)The mothertrucker hat scene and the bar scene with Hollis when they are on the run.

5)When they attack Lucien Castle's company and the conversation before that.

6)The episode in season 4 when hope frees marcel has a scene when the compound is attacked, Klaus senses it and warns hayley but it's too late and her neck is snapped and then Klaus in anger kills everyone there.

7)The phone call between Klaus and Hayley in season 5.

8)The naming of Hope scene.

9)When klaus cried reading Hayley's letters to him.

10)The conversations between Hayley and Klaus in 4x07 and also the part in it where she asks klaus to stay inside where it's safe.

The fucking audacity some percabeth stans have to degrade the value of human life over something that doesn't even exist??? Are your lives so miserable and dull that you have to go around doing such things to feel anything? And of course, you don't have enough courage or enough conviction in your own opinions to post them with your own name. The cowardice speaks for itself, if you know what I mean.

The ship is hands down already very terrible, but the stans are even more so. The bar is already so damn low that it's a tripping hazard in hell, and yet there are people like you playing limbo over there.

You lot think you are helping the ship? Do you think you people who idolize it so much are helping with stuff like this? If anything, people like you are all the more reason for hating percabeth. Your ship is so frail that even one comment can destroy its credibility and set people like you off. To all the Percabeth lovers who don't partake in such behavior, just look at this, look at your fucking community. And I am telling you this is on the low spectrum of the horrible harassment some blogs have had to face so grow the fuck up before everyone turns against the Percabeth community cause they will. People don't post things like that because they don't want to spread too much negativity, but it happens and is happening all the time. And it's best to accept that half the toxicity in the fandom comes from your community.

No, this is not an overreaction. This needs to be said, and you people need to hear it.

ohm god anti Percabeths like u r soo annoying legit just kill urself

I have a better idea-track me down and kill me yourself and use my soul to bring your grammar back to life.

The fact that Annabeth has nothing on Percy in terms of rank and reputation is hilarious to me. Prince of Atlantis, Praetor of Rome, Savior of Olympus, Head Counselor, Commander of the Demigod Army, blessed by PAN and so much more.

Rick can't really expect anyone to actually believe that PERCY "GIVE OTHER GODS AND THEIR CHILDREN THE RESPECT AND WORTH THEY DESERVE" JACKSON is not a complete celebrity and absolutely hero worshipped by literally all young and new campers. There's no way everyone wasn't raving about him nonstop. Especially the Hermes Cabin.

Rick completely lost consistency in HoO, and most of the Camp Hlaf Blood portrayal in The Lost Hero is very vague and iffy.

Also, Piper Mclean? Her? You expect her to understand? The character who looked down on her own siblings because they actually valued their beauty and invested time on it? The character who has been a consistent hypocrite? She literally turned to thieving for attention from her father, not to mention her thinking Annabeth leashing Percy is okay and necessary. To add to that, she herself tried everything to force the fake relationship on Jason more and more with no respect for his boundaries or his likes.

Every time I get reminded that Piper didn't think Percy was all that, I wonder. Is it because she thought Jason was the ideal man? And nobody could top that? Or was it because Annabeth talked bad about Percy, so Piper thought he was a dumbass and not all that.

Percy got one minotaur horn when he was twelve and another two when he was 15, he should ditch the sword and make a trident out of them. Imagine the flex

Part 2 of the fic: [For those who haven't read part 1 yet, check the reblogs before this one]

Poseidon remembers being here in this apartment before, vividly. Moments with Percy and Sally are all vivid, have always been. He will remember them for as long as the tides churn and the waves crash, for what mortals might call eternity, yet far past it.

Yet he feels a tug of something unknown rise somewhere beneath his veins. It's almost apprehensive. He doesn't like the feeling. He shouldn't even be capable of feeling it, but Perseus has always made him feel too human. But he has learned to accept it, for it has always pushed him to do right by his son. For that alone he shall tolerate it.

Perseus opens the door just before he contemplates ringing the doorbell, as he knew he would. Percy's already keen senses have sharpened to even greater heights in the recent months, making him hypersensitive to everything, especially godly presences. It reminds him of the harsh admonition he owes the Olympian Council for his son's suffering. Poseidon's eyes shift as they always do, scanning Percy for any signs of discomfort or pain or a wound. He can't explain the sensation that ebbs and flows; he knows still that it's a very pleasant feeling when he finds Percy clad in what he has learned is called a sweatshirt, looking at ease and almost enthusiastic.

That feeling expands when Perseus grins at him in that same joyous way he has come to adore. "Thought I sensed you. Come on in, Dad." Invites Percy, and he tries not to let the intense satisfaction at being called "Dad" show, especially when the Blowfish man was also present. He finds Sally's gaze almost immediately and nods in the soft manner that comes to him as naturally as loving Sally did, as loving Percy does, though he is not a soft God. He would speak to Sally first if he had not come here with a prior agenda. His eyes sweep the room , especially the trinkets that might belong to Percy.

Lastly, and only because he must, his eyes settle on the insignificant child of Athena. She sits on the couch and looks tense. Ah, good, she has a good sense to be afraid then. Percy, who would usually take a seat beside her, does not, seating across her instead, and that pleases him. His son and the girl have had some problems as he anticipated they would. It is only natural that a child of Sea would not get along with the oppressive methods of the girl, especially one with such pure essence as Percy.

Without much effort he levels her with the same stare he once subjected the Ithacan nuisance of a king to, and he can feel her heart race with fear, watch her gulp in trepidation especially as her mind raced to try and supress the reactions she wouldn't ever be able to control in his presence.

It's only after his son looks strangely at him that he deigns to take a seat, besides Perseus. He feels the Blowfish man leaves out of nervousness while Sally gives him one last look and retires, too. Perseus settles comfortably against the couch, at ease even when his aura is pressuring the girl to death. This alone solidifies his decision. Percy is an ocean of power, and the girl is not even a drop. It would be acceptable if the girl had a pure and burning soul like Sally's which would even put a god's presence to test, but she is in all ways ordinary.

"Sir," the girl begins as if she has some stature here to speak first. He despises her even more when she looks at Percy as if his son is in anyway responsible for her misery that she has brought upon herself. His burst of fury is interrupted by Sally's voice calling out to Percy to come help her with the cooking. Perseus levels one look between them and then meets his gaze with what Poseidon considers to be a challenging look. His own lips curve at the sight. Exceptional, defiant, and as vast as the ocean, his son truly is the perfection of the sea personified. "Worry not, Perseus, the girl will live. Go do what you planned to do with Sally. And finish packing your essentials, though it's unnecessary as you will be provided with everything you ask in your room at Atlantis."

His son sighs and shakes his head in amusement before retorting, "Of course she will live, or you would have me and Mom to deal with. Also, for the last time, Dad, her name is Annabeth."

Poseidon offers only a raised eyebrow in response as Percy leaves to join Sally ,chuckling his way out of the room, unintentionally missing the girl's repeated panicked stares his way.

He tries to remember whatever guidelines Amphitrite reminded him of so as to not upset Percy by accidentally smiting the girl. "Speak properly, girl. I have not the time for you. You are already taking some of my time with my son. It's only because it is his request that I tolerate this at all."

The girl bristles, "My Lord Poseidon, I don't understand why I cannot accompany Percy to wherever you are taking him." She says finally and desperately and Poseidon's eyes narrow dangerously on her frantic hand movements.

"I will sooner die than have a spawn of the wisdom goddess be allowed to enter the gates of Atlantis. Your accursed mother and her spawns lack many a traits suitable for a match worthy of Perseus's attention, but you , girl, are unworthy on all accounts." His voice is calm and deadly, a tsunami lying in wait. He has never used this voice in Percy's vicinity, barring that one time he had yet to confirm Percy's presence upon his throne. But this occasion called for it.

Before the girl could babble another useless statement he continued.

"My son has no obligation to cater to your comfort by sacrificing his. You require Perseus's presence as a shield against your nightmares when you are the reason for his. My son is not to be used for your safety. His is far more important, which I will offer him in spades whether or not he joins me in Atlantis. Your dependence on my son to function is not a significant enough act to require my attention and especially not Percy's. Precisely when your foolish and delusional ideals and beliefs have almost led to his demise. ESPECIALLY WHEN MY SON JUMPED IN THE PIT DUE TO YOUR IGNORANCE AND HUBRIS. WHEN HE SUFFERED AND LAMENTED DUE TO YOUR CONTROLLING NATURE AND DELUSIONAL BELIEFS."

He had not raised his voice, no, but his words were curled in a power so ancient, in a hatred so deep, they had the girl trembling, her eyes gathering with tears borne of terror.

"He was crossing a line, I just... just wanted to protect him." The girl barely choked out, her voice hoarse and trembling. The words only served to flame his rage even further.

"You, you insignificant, ordinary child of Athena presume to command and berate my son, a Prince of the Sea, and Olympus's savior on what powers of his he should tap into? How his actions, which ended up saving your life as well, were WRONG? WRONG? As if someone like you would understand the intricacies or limits of such power, especially Perseus's boundless power-"

Poseidon stops his rage filled voice as soon as he feels Percy's presence behind him. He had used the mist to barr most of the sound even from other gods and demigods, but of course, his son would be able to tell the changes in energy that accompanied Poseidon's anger. All his children were of the sea but none more so than Percy. One day, he would be far more, but there's time still.

Percy put himself between Poseidon and the girl who looked half dead just from their conversation alone. "Dad, why don't you join Mom and Paul for a bit. We were just about to pack some stuff for me. I need to talk to Annabeth, and then we will head down to Atlantis." Percy interjected, his voice soft and casual, but a glint in his son's eye let him know that Percy wouldn't let him push this. Poseidon readily agreed, getting up to join Sally and the Blowfish man. Perhaps he could convince Sally to let Percy extend his stay even more. Ah, yes, that would be good.

As he walked inside, he imparted the accursed girl one last message, spoken in her mind so she could burn it , etch it in her memory forevermore, unforgotten even in death, "You know what I did to Odysseus for merely stabbing Polyphemus's eye, a child of mine, not particularly favored but my child all the same. What then do you think I will do to you, the one who has put my son in harm's way and has almost led him to his demise more than once? A son whom I favor so? Whom I love so? Remember, the only thing keeping you alive is Percy's love for you. Know your place and allow my son his freedom and happiness or know his true worth and change your delusional and hubris laden ways to try and measure up to my son's worth in some miniscule way possible. Not that I expect much from likes of Athena's spawn. For your transgressions are too great."

He didn't bother to hear the choked up conversation between the girl and Percy. He had much to look forward to this day with Percy joining him in Atlantis.

Tyson has been jumping around ever since he heard of it. He had to do much to convince the boy to let him fetch his big brother alone. Triton wouldn't admit it, but he had lessened his workload, and Rhodes and Benthesikyme hadn't bothered hiding their enthusiasm. He had a sense Kympoleia would find a way to storm in herself. He had much to speak to her about, especially after what happened with his son. Even Amphitrite had given him an impatient look this morning, that and whatever Delphin and the rest of his council had going on amongst themselves. He had only caught the words "Young Prince's welcome party."

Whatever it was, he intended to make Percy's stay as long, comfortable, and joyous as possible. And none would get in his way of that least of all someone as insignificant as the spawn of the wisdom goddess. After all, there might even be enough peace in Atlantis for Percy to see the glaring transgressions of the girl and rid himself of her repulsive presence.

WHO HERE THINKS THAT WE SHOULD'VE GOTTEN MORE ANNABETH AND POSEIDON MOMENTS? You know how Athena disapproves of and threatened Percy? Well………….DO THAT WITH POSEIDON AND ANNABETH! Let them meet. Let Annabeth squirm. Let Poseidon smile, but let it not quite reach his suddenly cold green eyes. Let him size her up, and let her be found wanting. LET HIM SILENTLY THREATEN HER NOT TO HIT PERCY AGAIN! Let him disapprove of Annabeth's nickname for him! Let Percy defend it, defend Annabeth from Poseidon! Let Poseidon tell Percy that if things don't work out (in a way that he implies that he hopes it doesn't work out) that he can hook up with a sea nymph or naiad or something! I just feel like this was SUCH a missed opportunity. To show that Poseidon loves Percy and thinks that he can do better than a plain daughter of Athena! (At least Poseidon thinks so).

Can someone write this, please? I would, but I already have something else going on.

I wish Rick would do this in the show.

@lady-menrva, how do you like this one?

@rosabell14 you too

@cynthiav06, I read your anti Percabeth posts and thought you might like this

@bright-eyes-strawberry-lies

Dam, who else do I tag? If anyone wants to be removed, please do tell me and I will remove it immediately

I keep seeing the argument that Percy is plot armored and that other big three kids should be as powerful as him or more in the case of Thalia and Jason. I don't think that the inherent nature of their personalities is really taken into account.

The first argument is that Zeus is the king of Gods so his children should obviously be more powerful. This is a misunderstanding, Gods only ever transfer basic abilities to their children. Everything else that comes after is all a credit to the children themselves. (For e.g, how only Leo is able to summon fire even though there are many children of Hepheastus or how only Meg shows stronger, more deadly abilities of Demeter's domain.)

Percy's basic ability to control over water or earth comes from Poseidon but it's Percy's mindset, upbringing and motivations enhance and expand his abilities to the next level.

1)Thalia: She probably has more potential but is held back by her fear of heights and is therefore unable to exercise wind control. Her lightning control is way better and stronger but it's limited by her spite for Zeus or her overall fear of what ambition might do to her.(Titan's Curse subtly alludes to this)

2)Jason shows more inclination towards wind control more so than lightning perhaps because it's comes to him gar easier than lightning which requires rawness more so than discipline. His greatest downfall is his commitment to rules and his stern belief in doing things in a set way.

Jason is a lot of things, but he isn't very creative, nor is he a good out of the box thinker, so he just sticks to the rudimentary abilities he has and doesn't even think to explore Another good reason is that since Roman counteroarts of Gods are so disciplined, they do not indulge in the true raw nature of their power, and hence, Roman demigods are technically weaker in terms of raw power. (LOOK at the life expectancy of Greek demigods and how strongly they attract monsters).

He just doesn't have the touch of madness that sparks power in the big three children of Greek counterparts.

Jason is also not the type to damn the world for people he loves while we know the Jackson Family preaches the "do anything and everything under the sun to protect the ones we love. "

But mostly all of them, Thalia or Jason, believe there's a limit to what they can do or can be done and controlled while Percy has no sense of such predetermined boundaries. He is an open-minded and extremely adaptable fighter. He believes anything and everything could be used against his opponents, and hence, his fighting style is also better and far more unpredictable than usual. Percy also doesn't believe he is all that powerful, so he thinks there's always more to channel.

[It also helps that Poseidon favors Percy to the moon and back while Jupiter just gave Jason as a guilty gift to Juno.]

3)Now Nico has a good chance of being way more powerful than Thalia and Jason and isn't also very held back by moral concerns. His problem is that his powers are much too vast for him to control, and they always get the better of him. Raising the dead? Traveling through Shadows? Hands down Hades has the most op abilities to give. But this fact aside Nico also lacks the enhanced physical strength and the necessary experience to use his powers.

Last but not the least Percy is the most connected to his father's domain. He has sat on his father's throne, he has been in his father's secondary seat of power, Atlantis.

So overall, Percy is and will be the strongest demigod for a long, long time.