Don’t Get Me Wrong I Like Dean To A Point But Lord Have Mercy Is He So Toxic And His Fangirls/the Fandom

I could probably rant about how Sam deserved better and he is one of the characters that honestly did no wrong and I stand by this statement

i was about the highlight the absolute win that red meat is for us wincesties when i remember the following off the top of my brain:

1x21 JOHN: KILLING THIS DEMON COMES FIRST. BEFORE ME, BEFORE EVERYTHING. SAM: (LOOKING AT A BLOODY DEAN IN THE BACKSEAT) NO SIR NOT BEFORE EVERYTHING.

2x21 DEAN: WHOA, WHOA, WOAH, SAM. SAM! HEY! HEY, HEY. COME HERE. LET ME LOOK AT YOU. HEY, LOOK AT ME. IT'S NOT EVEN THAT BAD. IT'S NOT EVEN THAT BAD, ALL RIGHT? SAMMY? SAM? SAM: (HEAD IS WOBBLING WHILE DEAN SHAKES HIM AND HOLDS HIM TIGHT) DEAN: HEY, LISTEN TO ME. WE'RE GONNA PATCH YOU UP, OKAY? YOU'LL BE GOOD AS NEW. HUH? I'M GONNA TAKE CARE OF YOU. I'M GONNA TAKE CARE OF YOU. I'VE GOT YOU.

2x22 BOBBY: SOMETHING BIG IS GOING DOWN— END OF THE WORLD BIG. DEAN: (YELLING) WELL THEN LET IT END. BOBBY: YOU DON'T MEAN THAT. DEAN: (GETS UP AND STANDS IN BOBBY'S FACE) YOU DON'T THINK SO? HUH? YOU DON'T THINK I'VE GIVEN ENOUGH? YOU DON'T THINK I'VE PAID ENOUGH? I'M DONE WITH IT. ALL OF IT. AND IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU, YOU'D TURN AROUND, AND GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE.

3x16 SAM: WELL THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING. THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME WAY, WHATEVER IT IS I'LL DO IT. (DEAN COMES UP BEHIND HIM, GRABBING HIM) DON'T DEAN! I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU GO TO HELL, DEAN! DEAN: YES, YOU ARE! (CALMER) YES, YOU ARE.

4x01 SAM: (STOPS DEAD WHEN HE SEES DEAN, HE SWALLOWS, SHOCKED, EYES FLICKERING BETWEEN DEAN AND BOBBY) DEAN: HEYA, SAMMY

4x22 SAM: (TO DEAN) I'M SORRY. DEAN: SAMMY, LET'S GO SAM: (CLUTCHING TO DEAN'S SHIRT WHILE DEAN GRABS SAM'S JACKET, STARING IN HORROR AT THE LIGHT) DEAN..... HE'S COMING.

5x22 DEAN: SAMMY? ARE YOU IN THERE? LUCIFER/SAM: OH, HE'S IN HERE, ALL RIGHT. (HE PUNCHES DEAN AGAIN) AND HE'S GONNA FEEL THE SNAP OF YOUR BONES. (HITS DEAN AGAIN, WHO FALLS TO THE GROUND) EVERY SINGLE ONE. (HE HAULS DEAN TO HIS FEET) WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUR TIME. (PUNCHES DEAN TEN MORE TIMES) DEAN: (PUTS HIS HAND ONTO LUCIFER/SAM'S JACKET) SAM, IT'S OKAY. IT'S OKAY. I'M HERE. I'M HERE. I'M NOT GONNA LEAVE YOU. (LUCIFER/SAM: PUNCHES HIM TWICE) I'M NOT GONNA LEAVE YOU.

5x22 (AFTER INTERLUDE) LUCIFER/SAM: (UNCLENCHES FIST, SWITCHES BACK TO SAM AGAIN, HE LETS GO OF DEAN WHO FALLS TO THE GROUND NEXT TO BABY) SAM: IT'S OKAY, DEAN. IT'S GONNA BE OKAY. I'VE GOT HIM.

you know what’s really sexy? the fact that sam stans can easily defend sam and give valid reasonings to his actions without screaming and crying about how he had an awful childhood

meanwhile dean stans can’t say two sentences without going “ueue poor deanie weenie had such an awful childhood :(( john is the worst :(( it’s all john’s fault :(( dean’s grown-up ass has no responsibility for his actions :(( because woobie dean has self worth issues :((((( boohoo :(( he STARVED for MONTHS so sammy’s selfish, ungrateful ass could eat at a five stars restaurant :(((”

even tho they had the exact same father and the same childhood (I might even go as far as saying that sam had it worse, but I’m not gonna go there now)

It's been a while since I watched Supernatural, so don't take my opinions as gospel or anything. But I think Dean is self-hating to the point of narcissism in some ways. Don't get me wrong, I empathise with Dean and understand why fans largely do too. But his self-loathing warps his perception and becomes the centre of EVERYTHING and at times that really has ripple effects on those around him - particularly Sam.

Take their childhood, Sam has a right to mourn the fact that he didn't get a normal childhood. He's allowed to be angry that he didn't get a home, a present father, a stable community, and consistent education. But whenever Sam attempts to express his complicated feelings about his childhood, Dean immediately interprets it as ' oh I was supposed to look out for you. Are you saying I failed? Are you confirming I'm worthless?' which grinds the conversation to a complete halt. Because of Dean's intense self-criticism, Sam can never really be 100% honest with him or ask for support with his own issues, especially regarding their childhood. As anything outside of 100% gratitude just becomes another stick for Dean to beat himself with, and the conversation is immediately derailed.

Not only does Deans self-hatred mean that Sam's expression of his own experiences are pretty consistently shut down. In some ways, I think Dean strips Sam of his autonomy - he's so self-loathing, he sees every decision Sam makes as being about/a reaction to him. A good example of this is Stanford. Rather than understanding Stanford for what it was, an attempt by Sam to carve out a better life from himself and escape hunting. Dean views it as betrayal or abandonment, some re-affirmation of his own belief that he's not worth caring about. Rather than understanding it's a rejection of hunting, he sees it as Sam rejecting him. To Dean, Sam isn't attempting to find a better life, he's punishing the family.

Overall, it's interesting that people largely and rightfully sympathise with Dean due to his self-hatred. However, I don't see as much discussion about how his self-hatred doesn't just hurt him, it hurts those he's close to, as it colours his interpretation of their every action. Dean's self-loathing is always the biggest thing in the room and that has consequences.

Honestly looks like Jared tries to hook Jensen in by the back of his neck for a kiss and then remembers that they're in front of people.

Update: And then the way Jensen shuts his eyes and holds him all tight and close, like IMAGINING Jared had kissed him.

THE EYE FUCKING

Omg, that tongue out. Phwoar. Legit looks like Jensen is on Spring break, participated in a wet T-Shirt contest (that Jared was of course there to watch and enjoy) and Jensen is now going to chug at least one - or both - of those bottles and make some very bad decisions involving Jared.

You know, it seems to me that the ZoLu nation should unite and write a whole essay analyzing the manga with Zoro/Luffy moments, confirming the canonical nature of this ship and including moments from the Netflix adaptation. Newbies are coming to the fandom, and it’s a shame that after admiring Zoro’s vow and oath, his and Luffy’s cute moments, they suddenly say that two men insulting each other and arguing over who Luffy actually needs, is a better ship. Perhaps if such an essay existed on ao3, it would help people to understand ZoLu's vibes more deeply, because in the manga there are really a lot of moments that show how loyal Zoro is to Luffy, how much his captain is dearer to him than anything else in the world. This is clearly not a job for one person, as it would require re-reading and analyzing many manga chapters and frames, but if something like this existed, it would be the best thing that ZoLu fans could create for their ship.

https://at.tumblr.com/deanisatopdom/yes-sams-a-real-selfish-asshole-is-basically/3tvhzs7phyoj

What are your thoughts on this? First I was surprised to see it was jackles who said this considering the show was focused more on dean for the longest time. Feels like he really does need to be the single lead by himself, would explain the whole The Winchesters mess

All that interview tells me is that Jensen doesn't understand basic storytelling and the role of a protagonist and supporting protagonist.

Did Sam think of himself? Sure, because he wanted safety, away from the family business. But just because the storyline revolves around one character for a while doesn't mean that the character is selfish. It just means the character has more of a story that needs to be told. Supernatural is Sam's hero's journey from overcoming all the obstacles to accepting his life and finally being rewarded with what he always wanted, a stable home life, but at a very high cost - the loss of the one person closest to him.

The fact that the Dean-centric storylines were the lowest-rated in the series should have clued Jensen in to the fact that people didn't tune in for Dean's journey. In fact, all the Dean-centric stories - purgatory, Demon Dean, Michael Dean - none of them produced any real change or growth in Dean. People were annoyed that you could barely tell a difference between MOC Dean and the real Dean the characters were so similar. Dean never really went evil, or had to suffer the guilt because of it. And by the end of the series, the only real growth Dean had obtained revolved around Sam and accepting Sam's autonomy.

I think there's some real insecurity there for Jensen to want to be the lead protagonist in SPN for so long and pushing for it even though it didn't serve the story. A secure actor would recognize their role as a supporting protagonist as being equally as important as the protagonist because it allows the audience to connect with the protagonist through the supporter's view. But, for whatever reason, he couldn't recognize Dean's importance to Sam's story and that's too bad.

And yes, I believe that insecurity has led us directly into TW, where it's becoming quite clear that the entire show is starting to revolve around Dean, thereby making Dean possibly the most important character.

Sam's dimples: reblog if you agree.

So your telling me you watched SPN and thought “Yea thouse are totally normal brothers who are super normal”

Like this is only a few instances and your telling me there normal???? You don’t even have to ship it but at least acknowledge how weird they are

been rewatching supernatural.