men are so whiny and sensitive about this oh my god. do you not hear how misogynistic entitled and lesbophobic this is and also just what a huge loser you sound like. "lesbians hate us because we're MEN and not sexy butch lesbians" Well yeah.. obviously.. even cis men can usually put it together that lesbians probably love lesbians more than men, so why are you so confused? you expecting some sort of special pussy treatment? No one wishes you would become a butch lesbian, you are thinking quite highly of yourself though aren't you
Average transandrophobe
if there was ever any doubt lmfao.
(Date of the post is cut off but it's February 20th 2025 at 11:01 AM)
Hey y’all; would be real interested to hear from anyone willing to share and discuss, about other people’s experiences of transandrophobia specifically in fandom spaces.
I guess I’m just trying to find some more solidarity about the issue since fandom is such an escapism hobby and when that gets tainted, it really, really sucks.
Some of my own experiences include (tw: sa mention | tw: dv):
- Getting told I can’t write realistic gay mlm sex scenes because I’m a trans gay man not a cisgender gay man (but the cisgender woman who said it to me can write realistic gay mlm sex??? 🤔 make it make sense)
- Getting told it’s fetishistic for me specifically to write about male characters in anything but platonic relationships
- Getting mocked after mentioning not being able to watch an episode of a show because there was a male rape scene and as a rape survivor that identifies as male, it was too triggering. Cue the ‘men can’t be raped’ and ‘you’re not actually a man if you say you were raped’ comments. Then having a gif of the rape scene in question sent to me via PM as a ‘joke’.
- Talked about having some empathy for a character who experienced intimate partner violence because of my own experience. Getting told by someone relatively prominent in that fandom that it’s different because those are ‘two male characters’ and that I ‘deserved’ the domestic abuse I experienced with my ex because I’m a trans man who ‘tricked’ a gay man into being with me. (For the record my partner was bi and he knew I was trans before we got together, but fuck me I guess!)
What fucking centrists are you guys meeting? Did you just invent a guy in your head to be mad at?
trans people being forced by doctors to conform to gender roles and present as their gender for 2 years to get evaluated to transition but somehow we are the ones enforcing gender roles
i am asking in what world conversations about the impact of terfs on trans people frequently center trans men and ignore the impact they have on trans women like
practically every conversation ive seen about terfs is entirely about trans women, to the point where bringing up the ways in which trans men are effected by terfs is considered derailing!
the comment about the "critique of how men interact with women" thing is also absolutely wild to me like. the whole "men are inherently Bad" thing is pretty deeply rooted in radfem (and thus terf) stuff, ime. so to see that reframed as "it's just a critique of how men interact with women" is just... wtf. like the bioessentialist views that radfems tend to have about like "the inherently evil nature of men" kinda stuff is a pretty major component in their treatment of trans women??? i thought this had been well established??? for years???
i mean seriously i had to double-check the blog name because i thought for a moment it was a very confused terf, because that kinda attitude is exactly how i'd expect a terf to defend their shitty idoleogy.
but i guess the issue isn't in "spouting essentialist ideology about the inherent evil of men", but rather in "people spouting bio-essentialist ideology about the inherent evil of men". because what we have here is "people spouting gender-essentialist ideology about the inherent evil of men".
or, in other words; diversity win! now your gender categories of "inherently awful violent brutes" and "inherently virtuous dainty victims" are gender inclusive!
yeah some trans women and men alike are desperate to just slot themselves into a radical feminist conception of the world and call it a day
remember. when faced with the rise of fascism it is always the most important thing to start vitriolic and divisive online discourse about who is more oppressed
I think all this online discourse is eroding my ability to see people in social justice spaces as potentially trustworthy allies, not that I had much of it in the first place but yeah
Ask your local transandrophobic dirtbag where they were during the ace discourse years ago.
You know I was looking again at how TRFs see trans men as just people waiting to detransition and become terfs, and how you and so many others I know CANNOT get them to acknowledge that cis crossdressers exist, and it just struck me-
They think cis male crossdressers are either trans women who still have half the eggshell on, or men making fun of trans women-
They think nonbinary people AFAB are just ~trenders~, and nonbinary people AMAB are just women with one foot still in the closet-
They call forcemasc a malicious knockoff of forcefem and even get territorial about striped socks and shark plushies-
They cannot wrap their heads around the idea that misgendering people is still bad when they do it-
Oh god. They don't think transmascs are actually trans. They think we're cis women who just have such a powerful hateboner for trans women that we're willing to change our entire lives and alter our bodies just to make fun of them. They see anyone but a trans woman saying "don't misgender me" as being exactly the same as "cool and I identify as an attack helicopter" or "stop deadnaming me I'm not Ricky I'm Bobo the Chimp". Of course they don't think we experience any meaningful transphobia, they think we're part of the same fucking conspiracy as any garden variety transphobe. Jesus fucking christ on a cracker. Okay.
And honestly? Emotionally, I get it. I've got a lot of fucked up brain shit going on and the world sure does love to sell willful paranoia as "protection" so I too am always super afraid of how people may or may not be judging me and I've caught myself emotionally spiraling into some REALLY stupid places too - but my sympathy runs very dry, very fast, when they're out here saying that clearly the best and most liberating thing for them would be for me to get hatecrimed more because that emotional crisis is a 100% accurate reflection of reality actually.
Even so, fuck, doesn't it get fucking exhausting to live that way? It seems so fucking miserable.
Just. Fuck. I'm so tired. And I'm especially tired of how popular this view or at least "diet" versions of it have gotten. Sis I am just. I am just sitting here! Cut the truscum shit YOU seem at least as miserable for it as you're trying to make me!!
Yeah, that sums it up really well.
Discourse side of @blunt-force-therapy. Pronouns: it/its
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