It's Genuinely Impressive How People Will Refuse To Engage In Any Way That Isn't Hate, Vilify Their Opponents,

People will really act like talia bhatt just has haters because she's a brown trans woman and not that she's an asshole who covers up her caste status, lashes out at random trans women who she thinks are slighting her, comes up with racist theories about how all genders from other cultures are just misgendered binary trans women with no input from queer people from those cultures, and lied about the existence of a cult and the harm of its survivors. It's just because miss radical feminism: trans flavor is all these minority identities.

okay. so. this is clearly a terf post because no one can be this dense about transandrophobia without swallowing the terf pill, but in case anyone is actually thinking like this.

trans men are not trying to suggest that trans women are oppressing us. why is it that when we talk about a cisgendered society oppressing us, you assume we’re talking about trans women?? trans men talking about how a cisnormative and patriarchal society affects us has absolutely nothing to do with trans women, except to acknowledge that we’re all in the same boat and therefore need to stick together underneath hostile threats towards our community.

no we did not think transitioning would make the “gender prison” magically disappear, and that line of thinking blatantly shows that you subscribe to the terf idea that trans men only transition to “escape” womanhood, while believing that trans women are the only “real” trans people who transition because they have no other choice (huh… where have i heard discourse about what makes someone a “real” [insert marginalised group of people] before?)

trans people and their identities are not a political stance or commentary on gender. a trans man existing is not because they believe they magically have male privilege now or because they think men are better than women. male privilege and the patriarchy were designed by white, cis men for white, cis men. we do not have access to male privilege in the ways that cis men do, and we are accutely aware of this. none of us are whining about not gaining male privilege, because we’re reminded every single day every time our autonomy is violently stripped away from us that male privilege does not and will not include us.

this all also comes down to the problem of trans men being erased from history by historians treating us as “women who dressed up as men to escape the patriarchy” as opposed to actual trans people who existed alongside other trans people. because of this, there’s a subconscious idea that trans men and mascs are a recent phenomenon, almost like a subset of trans people that branched out from trans women, as opposed to being trans people in their own right. when we talk about our experiences and oppression, we’re met with this idea that everything we’re talking about is stuff that already exists for other people and we’re just co-opting it, as opposed to oppression we’ve historically been facing for as long as anyone else, but our erasure means that terms for these experiences do not get spread around nearly as much.

“transandrophobia” may be considered to be a new term, but the actual oppressions that trans men face on the basis of being trans men is not new. we’re just finally talking about it. and if you would actually read through the tag that you’re infiltrating and what trans men are actually saying, you’d learn what those oppressions are. the type of misogyny we face comes from the idea that we’re “defected” women and need to be “fixed”, and it’s the type of misogyny we experience from women, particularly white, cis women, who view Eurocentric ideas of womanhood and femininity as the ideal or men who want our bodies “restored” back into baby machines. our forced detransitioning and sterilisation is an extremely serious issue that deserves to be talked about, especially since forceful detransitioning is practically a death sentence for many trans people. “at least they don’t want to kill you” no they just want us to kill ourselves. that’s better i guess.

all this to say, trans men experience oppression in different ways to cis women and other trans people, because we are different people, and talking about those experiences does not harm trans women in any way. we are not speaking over trans women. we are not suggesting that trans women are in any way a threat to us. cisgender people who are upholding the gender binary and the patriarchy (and yes, that includes radfems) are a threat to us, in the same way that they’re a threat to trans women. we are all in the same boat. we just want to talk about the shit that we face and be listened to for once.

if you see this type of post, assume that it’s a terf. assume that it is a cisgendered terf, even if they claim to be part of the community, who is masquerading as a trans person in order to sow the seeds of discourse. even if I’m wrong, who cares. they’re getting blocked either way. terfs are trying to divide trans men and women right now, in the same way that men want them to divide cis women and trans women in order to distract them with infighting, and make trans men feel that they are not accepted or that their struggles are not real, so that they can groom trans men into detransitioning. people like OP are a threat to trans people. don’t fall for it.

If you actually take the threat of forced detransition seriously, then you should recognize "Conservative transphobes don't want to kill transmascs, they just want to detransition them" for the callous and out-of-touch statement that it is.

"Ugh, you're actually lucky they don't want to kill you, they just want to permanently cut you off from gender-affirming care, rape you, trap you in marriage and pregnancy, and force you to live the rest of your life as their property."

Wow, I feel so blessed.

Just saw a thumbnail where a YouTuber I really respect shouted out Trans/Rad/Fem (very enthusiastically) and after months of you pointing out how the whole ideology being based in radical feminism & after seeing how Thalia Blatt views other members of the trans community —

Ralph Wiggum voice: I’m in danger!

And I will give the video a fair shake when I have the emotional capacity & time for it but fuck, what a thing to wake up to. Like, cool, we’re breaching containment to the big leagues.

I'm really exhausted with someone as transmisogynistic as her regularly being held up as an icon of transfeminism but thankfully she's incapable of controlling herself so with any luck her next inevitable violent blow up at other trans women will finally get people to drop her.

To be one hundred percent clear, I'm not being glib, Talia Bhatt has a record of telling trans women to kill themselves, calling them slurs, and holding grudges over them living their lives in ways she disapproves of that erupt into ragefully attacking them in front of her very large audience, and this is literally a benefit we should actually truly be thankful for because it increases the chances the popularity of her and her transphobic ideas will not stick. She has a demonstrable lack of impulse control that makes it more difficult for her to keep the mask of Based Transfeminist on, which is fantastic news for everyone who'd prefer a virulent transmisogynist not be directing transfeminism.

The fact that they get mad gives it away, they don't want you to speak at all.

'transandrophobia doesn't exist in trans communities' mfs when I ask if i can call it misogyny instead

Feb 4, 2025 - Thousands of Los Angeles high school students walked out of class and marched on the city capitol in third straight day of Anti-ICE protests. (Source)

PROTESTS ARE HAPPENING. THEY ARE JUST NOT BEING COVERED OUTSIDE OF LOCAL MEDIA OUTLETS. DO NOT RELY ON MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

There was a huge Trans-rights demonstration last night in New York outside of NYU Langone hospital in protest of their decision to halt gender-affirming care under Trump's order. (Source)

It actually really bothers me how most people are way more willing to listen to TERFs who claim to be detransitioned trans men who initially transitioned for all the TERF talking point reasons (wanting to escape misogyny, just not loving their bodies enough, hating women/femininity, peer pressure, manipulation by doctors etc) than to actual trans men.

It reminds me of the satanic panic when you had all these people claiming to be former members of satanic cults who went around giving interviews about how they used to kill babies in evil satanic orgy rituals but then they saw the error in their ways, started going to church & now they're on a heroic mission to save other people from going down that road that definitely exists. Meanwhile the actual satanists at the time were doing none of that. But of course nobody ever talked to them. Because the truth wasn't as dramatic.

It's the worst when other trans people do it & spread transphobic conspiracy theories about transmisogynistic trans men siding with radfems, being seduced by their ideology enough to detransition & then become TERFs.

Oh where did you hear about that being a thing that happens enough to be a common trend? From TERFs who claim they used to be trans men but then detransitioned after learning that radfeminism is the truth & the light? Of course, they sure have no reason to be lying about that. Especially when they are random anonymous people online. I can totally see why you'd choose to believe what fucking TERFs tell you about the experiences of your fellow trans people, sure, why the fuck not?

I've said this before but like I hate that I have literally gone from not thinking hard about transfem positivity posts to even being a little unsure about liking or reblogging them cause I'm like. Yes I agree. But do you extend the same kindnesses to other trans people? Do you think transfems are unique in deserving and needing kindness and care? It's harder to assume good faith of having a transfem only post, especially about things that affect all trans people, when I know and have seen so many people actively and purposefully leave out certain trans people (and this current wave of loud transmasc hate is just one in a long line of intra community bullshit. I have been here before with other identities) I'll never stop agreeing with positivity posts or supporting my sister's and siblings but if nothing else this discourse has left me on edge about people using transfem positivity as a bludgeon

I understand. It's important to acknowledge that you're starting to feel that way so you can work on unlearning it. <3 It is, of course, not a healthy mindset, for yourself or anyone else, but it's not your fault you've been kicked into this kinna fear.

The key thing is to keep surrounding yourself with as many cool transfems as you can. There are many, many more of them than the ones hostile to you, I promise! It can just seem skewed sometimes on social media. The more you focus on the real majority the less tense the association will be and it won't feel like everything for transfems might be against anyone else.

OP turned off reblogs, so here's my contribution to the "on what grounds can someone be excluded from a women's space if not gender?" thread.

The answer is, none! The whole idea of a 'women's space' is fucked and anti-feministic.

I can’t help but think detransitioning is a form of self-harm for some of these “detrans females” swept up in the TERF movement. Some of them were never transgender at all, just exploring their gender and finding they didn’t like it. But some are genuinely miserable identifying as women and are continuing to harm themselves by forcing themselves into being something they can never truly be. I’ve never been detrans or bought into that ideology but I have denied myself gender affirming care as a form of self-harm. As in, I am still a man but I don’t think I deserve to receive the help I need to affirm that.