I've seen this post before, and I wanted to argue against it.
Now, bear in mind that this is supposed to be a friendly debate and I don't want to offend you.
With that being said, let's look at the bullies that Percy's called out.
The teachers and students who bullied him at his old schools for his learning disabilities, Nancy Bobofit, Gabe, Dionysus, Tantalus, Ares, Hades (yeah he qualifies, he made Percy feel bad and Percy stood up to him. Go Percy, boss moment honestly) Clarisse, Matt Sloan and his gang.
These are people that Percy heavily dislikes (well, Clarisse is an exception, but at the time she bullied Percy, he heavily disliked her.) This makes it easier to call out their bullshit.
Annabeth is someone he likes. It's difficult to call out the bullshit of people that you like-very rarely can people can do this.
And we're forgetting that Percy's fatal flaw is loyalty. He's loyal to the people he loves and blind to their flaws, so he is the exact opposite of a person who'd be fair with both their friends and enemies.
Take Sally Jackson, for example. Sally herself admitted that she was selfish and kept Percy with an abuser so as not to be attacked by monsters instead of dropping him off at Camp where he would have been safer, especially with Poseidon's influence. Logically speaking, Percy should have resented her for this a little bit, right?
Now, for the morons who'll come to this conclusion, I am not saying that Sally Jackson is the devil incarnate. She was a struggling single mother stuck in between a rock and a hard place-there was no completely good option for her to choose here.
But she still chose to marry an abuser to keep Percy and herself safe. She knowingly married him knowing that he'd make Percy's life terrible and that Percy would be affected by this. This was definitely not a good choice on her part and it doesn't make her a good person (though she still is a good person, just not as good as one would make her out to be).
But Percy doesn't even think about this-he just idolises her (understandable, considering the circumstances, but still) and he never thinks about the situation from this point of view.
And Grover in Wrath of the Triple Goddess. Percy calls him out, but Percy later feels guilty for the stupid reason of Grover thinking he's going to be lonely when they (Percy and Annabeth) go to college, which is why Grover almost ruined the quest. Percy literally says that he should have been thinking about what Grover felt (Grover, who is responsible for his own self, Percy is not responsible for Grover) instead of, you know, thinking about himself and his future.
This is complete malarkey. It's a terrible reason for Grover's terrible actions. And what does Percy do?
He shoves it down, takes the blame, forces himself to be calm even though he should rage. This is another example of Percy not wanting to call someone's bullshit out because they're a loved one.
And Percy loves Annabeth. She's his friend, she went on his first quest with him, she's saved his life and she has a lion's share in his view of the mythological world since she was pretty much the first demigod that he really knew (discounting Luke who left after the first book).
All of this makes it pretty difficult for him to call out her bullshit-especially when she hates being called out on her bullshit, which she does.
Of course, he called out her bullshit during TLT and SOM regarding himself and Tyson respectively, but this is when they're not really friends. In the later books, where they're better friends and he likes her more, he doesn't do it.
And also, Percy has called Annabeth out on her bullshit, but she doesn't listen to him, so he becomes resigned to it.
Her calling him Seaweed Brain? He says that he's gotten used to it in TTC, meaning that he didn't like it but she didn't stop, so he just became used to it.
He says in TLO that he wanted to argue with Annabeth regarding his cabin inspection marks, but no good would come of it, so he just resigned himself to his marks.
He says that he wouldn't argue with her because she would beat him up.
Annabeth yells at Percy and blames him for leaving even though they both know that he was kidnapped. Does he call her out on this, tell her that she was wrong? No.
Annabeth makes Percy feel scared every time she brings up Rachel. This makes Percy feel bad and he does not call her out on it.
All of these are examples of Annabeth not listening to him and bulldozing her way over his protests, so he becomes resigned to it.
That's a common abusive tactic that I've experienced myself-don't listen to the victim and bulldoze your way over them until they become silent and resigned.
Now, I don't want to go so far as to call Annabeth abusive, but she is definitely pretty toxic towards Percy at times. I know that she loves him, I'm not denying that, but you can love someone and be toxic towards them.
Again, I don't want to be disrespectful and I respect your opinions. I'm just providing valid arguments as to why I think your statement was wrong.
when you say that percy is stuck in an abusive relationship with annabeth, you are not only insulting annabeth, you are erasing one of percy's best character strengths: how he is NOT afraid to call out people's nonsense and stand up against bullies no matter how bad or insecure they make him feel
So I said in this post that I wanted to see more of Poseidon and Annabeth interactions where Poseidon is judging Annabeth.
Based on their mythological counterparts, PJO Athena would probably have fewer problems with the relationship, seeing as she is logical and practical, so she would be able to accept that Percy and Annabeth love each other. I mean, she could be annoyed with the relationship, but she would definitely be less judgmental and more lenient.
And Poseidon would actually dislike Annabeth. He loves Percy and Percy loves Annabeth, so he'd let her live for Percy's sake, but other than that, he does not care for the girl and might even minorly inconvenience her if he could get away with it just to be petty-
Because Poseidon is petty. He's very volatile-one moment he can be kind and gentle, the next brooding and raging. And he's second to Zeus in being morally gray in the myths-that is, he's a very dark shade of grey for some people. He would love his children a lot, though, so there's that. And maybe if he was feeling nice or generous, he wouldn't inconvenience Annabeth.
Happy Ides of March!
Rereading BOTL and when Annabeth says the Hera is the one who doesn't belong-
I'm like-
ANNABETH AND PERCY ARE YOU FUCKING DUMB OR WHAT
THIS IS THE QUEEN OF THE HEAVENS. GODDESS OF MARRIAGE AND FAMILY
ANNABETH WHAT ARE YOU DOING GIRL YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SMART AND STRATEGIC AND WISE
WHY ARE YOU INSULTING THE QUEEN. THE FUCKING QUEEN. THE ONE GODDESS YOU DON'T WANT ON YOUR BAD SIDE
If that was the real Hera she'd have blasted them to pieces.
Ok maybe not Percy, but definitely Annabeth, and she'd send cows to bother Percy.
Rick what the hell are you doing. Richard what did you do
No emotional support and heavy procrastination tendencies, this next year's going to be one hell of a year for me.
Am I the only one indifferent to Percabeth who doesn't ship Percy with anyone?
How do you think Dionysus looked when he was dating Pollux's and Castor's mother? Did he look like his usual self at Camp Half Blood or did he look more handsome, like his usual godly self before his punishment? It would be hilarious if he looked handsome when was dating her and then he went back to his usual appearance. Can you imagine her and her sons' confusion? She asks her sons about him and they describe him, and she's like, excuse me, is that your father? That's not how I saw him, and then she comes to camp maybe, and he reverts to his handsome appearance, confusing his sons and the other campers, and Chiron is trying so hard not to laugh.
And then his sons see him change appearances and stare at him in disbelief, maybe horror, and he smiles at them guiltily, and Chiron comforts them or something, IDK, I just think that that would be really funny.
part 2 of my ask about demigod scents and technology because the previous one would be too long and disorganised otherwise
Anyway:
I highly doubt that Piper, the teenaged daughter of a famous Hollywood movie star, had 0 access to phones growing up. I could see Tristan blocking certain social media apps to try and protect her (cause people are gross online to teenage girls and I don’t think he’s that incompetent of a parent to not care, especially as his fame grew). It meshes well with her backstory as well - Jane/ another assistant/ Tristan himself could’ve handed Piper a phone and expect that to fix her need for parental attention that wasn’t purely monetary, especially since Tristan wouldn’t’ ve known about demigods not being safe near phones
Frank could’ve not been allowed a phone due to his grandmother knowing about the Poseidon ancestry (if I remember right), but he also had the most normal childhood compared to the rest of the 7, as he likely went to a regular school (I remember he mentions participating in spelling bees), so he would’ve been around them for a good chunk of the day
Maybe consistency with his own worldbuilding is too much to ask from Rick anymore
This-all of this. You're right. Frank's grandmother could not be around him and protect him all the time. He would have used some technology-he would have encountered some monsters.
I wish we knew if he was homeschooled or went to normal school. We don't even know that much about his pre-CJ life.
You know that meme where an angry-looking guy yells at his employees for ideas and then he throws the third guy out of the window for suggesting something he doesn't like?
That's Rick and his consistency respectively.
Mitchell stared at his mother. Her skin was pale silver, and curly black ringlets framed her face, the rest being pulled back into a high ponytail. Her eyes, however, changed every moment, like a kaleidoscope. 'M-mother,' he stammered. He didn't know what to do-was this really his mother, or was she a hallucination? After losing Capture The Flag, Sherman had taunted him about his parentage. 'Aphrodite's children could never fight as well as the rest of us. Your mom is the goddess of lust and beauty, what's so strong about that?' Mitchell had punched him in the face. In retaliation, Sherman had nearly scratched his eyes out and left him with bruises that might last for a month. And then, in front of the whole camp, Mitchell had burst into tears and ran away, even as Silena called for him and Drew hissed at Sherman. And he had come to the forest, where he really liked to be alone. Thankfully, there were no nymphs or dryads now. Well, there was one, and he had turned to leave, but she called his name and beckoned him over. And then she had told him that she was actually his mother, Aphrodite. He had been told that if, by a rare chance, a god was actually encountered, they must be given the utmost respect and consideration. One's own needs were practically nonexistent, one always agreed with them no matter what. She patted a moss cushioned rock beside her. 'Oh, do sit down! It's been ages since I've talked to one of my children.' He sat down, assuming a respectful posture, hands folded in his lap. 'Ah…………uh, to what do I owe this honour?' 'Oh? Sometimes I secretly visit Camp Half Blood and watch Capture The Flag for fun, and, well, I saw what happened today.' Embarrassment heated his face. Was she going to tell all the other gods? Would he be made a laughingstock among them? Or would she turn him into something for embarrassing her? 'Oh, cheer up.' she patted his cheek and he blinked in surprise. 'I'm not going to humiliate you further. I felt that I ought to tell you how bad my children can have it, especially my sons. The patriarchy negatively affects men as well.' He swallowed. Ah. So……..she was going to comfort him? Would she expect something from him after this? Was she going to send him on a quest to prove himself or something? His throat constricted. He'd heard stories of campers going missing or worse. And there was that horrible tradition of weaving a burial shroud for a quester.
Imagines flashed through his mind, of his siblings weaving with trembling hands, of tears sliding down their cheeks, of the designs that they would struggle to choose from. 'My children are often dismissed and treated as frivolous. The gods are changed by how we are viewed, and people have begun to view me as a silly, fragile little thing who would sooner walk away then get my hands dirty. And the same goes for my children, which I cannot control, though I fervently wish I could.' Does she want to control us? Mitchell thought uncomfortably. Or is she talking about her image? 'My sons bear the brunt of this horribly-misogyny and misandry can be two versions of a terrible, useless coin. Feminine men were often mocked back in the day-well, they still ARE mocked, but you understand me.' And the point of this is? 'The point of this is to assure you that you are not alone. Other feminine men, even ones not my sons, suffer from the same discrimination. And my daughters are also mocked and called useless for the simple crime-' she wrinkled her in nose in distaste, '-of being feminine, even though femininity and fighting are intrinsically intertwined since the dawn of time. Women have silently fought their wars, not the ones with politics and weapons, but the ones with misogyny and violence from both men and women alike-and those battles have dragged on for millennia, and every generation has been witness and victim to them.' A beautiful monologue, worthy of Athena, Mitchell thought, smiling, then he was glad that his mother couldn't read his thoughts. 'And so……….' Aphrodite waved her hand, 'go back and fight, my son. I was once worshipped as a war goddess, and feminine people can still fight. Go and show them that you are a worthy son of mine.'
You know, I have to tell all of you something. It's really important, so please read this before any other post that's caught your eye.
I'm glad that there's a large majority of people who accept that Rick kind of fucked up Greek Mythology in Percy Jackson..........
But does anyone feel the same about The Kane Chronicles and Magnus Chase?
The way Rick portrayed Anubis as a hot white teenage emo boy who was SIXTEEN years old when in Egyptian Mythology he was a GROWN ADULT WITH A WIFE AND A DAUGHTER really nags at me.
And, what's more, Anubis 16 while Sadie is at first twelve and then thirteen.
Walt's age is debatable because he's said to be fourteen and then sixteen. It's generally accepted that he's sixteen, but some people also think he's fourteen, so ok, your choice.
BUT ANUBIS IS SIXTEEN AND HE'S DATING A 12-13 YEAR OLD?
If Anubis DID indeed have the maturity level of a sixteen year old (weird choice, Rick) then he wouldn't even LOOK at Sadie romantically, because sixteen year olds don't do that!
It's disgusting, really, to do something like this. And don't start on Anubis not knowing the cultural practices of today. They're not real. Rick Riordan wrote this knowing how disgusting it was. It's unacceptable.
I honestly don't get why Anubis had to be a 16 year old. TKC could have been rewritten with no change if Anubis wasn't a 16 year old and was a proper god. No Saltnubis, which is an added bonus. Polyamory should be for adults, not children or teenager minors.
Also, Anubis did have a wife and daughter-Anput and Kebechet respectively. And they never even get mentioned.
Ok, even if Rick didn't mention them, that Saltnubis plot was horrible.
Also, Isis possessing a British white woman is a little odd when she's Egyptian. Why don't they possess Egyptian people instead. Is it because the main religion is Islam? Then why didn't they just possess Egyptian immigrants? Oh well. not sure about this one.
I mean, I'm not Egyptian or a Kemetic Pagan, but I just wanted to point this out. Sorry if anything I said is rude-tell me and I'll change.
But TKC had something that Magnus Chase did not. It actually respected its gods and reminded the readers that while they took on human forms and possessed humans, they were in fact, still gods. We could tell that they were gods and they inspired a certain amount of awe when they were around.
The gods in MCGA.......just don't have this spark.
I mean, yes, they WERE funny and human at times, but there's a reason that they were worshipped and respected as gods.
And it's frustrating because they should have had that spark. Yes, we see Odin's cunning by disguising himself as a troll, but Heimdall is also made out to be a complete idiot who just takes selfies and neglects his duties of guarding the Bifrost Bridge which is very important.
And Loki.........actually, Loki was kind of evil in the myths, so this one is ok. I'm still a little disappointed at how he never cared for Alex or Sam, though.
I know I'm treading sensitive waters with this one, but there is something nagging at me about how they're portrayed.
You buffoon. You imbecilic clown. You absolute dimwit.
You do realise that you can like media and be critical of it? You do realise that you can dislike some aspects of media (like mythological inaccuracies, cultural disrespect, the sexualisation and adultification of girls of color to name a few among the many terrible things that Rick Riordan wrote.)
I do agree with you that OP shouldn't feel guilty for liking Percy Jackson. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's harmful if you can only like it and not be critical of it. You should always be critical of things, even what you love.
Also, it's pretty fun and therapeutic to be a hater at times, not that you'd know, since you're set on defending your wonderful Rick Riordan (who, by the way, is immature and refuses to apologise for his harmful representation of Piper and Samirah, two females of color).
The theme of PJO is representation, but the representation in question is horrible written and many fans have criticised it. They're not hating, they're simply criticising, which I would like to clarify are two different things by the way, since you don't seem to be capable of understanding this basic knowledge. I'd recommend scrolling through the rr crit tag to cure your Rick Riordanitis, though you don't seem like the type to want to challenge your worldview.
You say 'anyone with a brain' yet I've seen several people with brains criticise (I'm going to clarify that criticism and hater are two different things because I fear that your lack of a brain will cause you to forget very quickly) Rick's representation and (at times) second-rate writing.
And the fact is that Percy Jackson is one of the most famous series out there. It's not just some generic fantasy novel that throws in some representation, pats itself on the back and calls it a day (Though Rick Riordan did do what I just said).
Millions of people are reading it and absorbing this harmful representation, thinking it's true. It feeds into the narrative of Indigenous girls being sexualised, it feeds into the narrative of black girls being adultified, it feeds into the narrative of WOC having to have exotic features to be seen as beautiful and it feeds into so many more implicit biases that are present, unconscious prejudices which we need to fight against.
There are so many good fans of PJO (like my friends) but the toxic fans took over the fandom
Yeah, bunch of things are wrong and offensive, but these books were also the entire childhood for some kids. For me, I read them while struggling with depression and they became a comfort. That's not to say there aren't flaws, there are several major flaws in the story.
But I see people bashing Solangelo shippers? Like, canon they weren't the best, but for me personally, Nico was the first character I could relate to. Gay, traumatized, religious trauma, familial issues... He could have been written better, especially his coming out, but I actually really like how the good fans have turned him into a better character. They gave characters depth and turned them into actual people instead of minor characters.
So fuck canon but seriously, can we just appreciate the literature we grew up with and stop bashing people who focus more on fanon or personal headcanons?
Like, I literally feel so guilty for being a fan of these series now because we have toxic fans and then the antis who, while they have valid points, forget how much the saga impacted loves positively. Like guys just be decent people and respect others opinions without making them hate themselves