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no offense but u dont exactly have the "rights" 2 any historical figures bc they were real ppl n if sum1 makes a clone of the same person mayb dont act like they stole from u ? lol

I don't?? I'm talking about designs! I made these designs, so no, I don't own the people. So when I see something similar to my design, yeah, I get kinda mad.

The person who's done it has had a history of stealing and tracing, so yeah, i get a little worried when a character with a similar design shows up from them. With a figure like Yuri, you don't see him a lot, I only knew about him for about maybe two years, but those people are kinda hard to find when you're in the States.

I know I don't own these characters, but when the person is a tracer, proshipper, and just steals. I do get worried. I'd love someone to share my love of these people, I really do, but I can kinda tell. There's few others of Neil and Yuri, and I like them. I think they're cute!

I don't own these people. No one does.

That is all I say.

a quick psa to anyone recently getting into greek mythology and is a victim of tumblr and/or tiktok misconceptions:

-there is no shame in being introduced to mytholgy from something like percy jackson, epic the musical or anything like that, but keep in mind that actual myths are going to be VERY different from modern retellings

-the myth of medusa you probably know (her being a victim of poseidon and being cursed by athena) isn't 100% accurate to GREEK mythology (look up ovid)

-there is no version of persephone's abduction in which persephone willingly stays with hades, that's a tumblr invention (look up homeric hymn to demeter)

-as much as i would like it, no, cerberus' name does not mean "spot" (probably a misunderstanding from this wikipedia article)

-zeus isn't the only god who does terrible things to women, your fav male god probably has done the same

-on that note, your fav greek hero has probably done some heinous shit as well

-gods are more complicated than simply being "god of [insert thing]", many titles overlap between gods and some may even change depending on where they were worshipped

-also, apollo and artemis being the gods of the sun and the moon isn't 100% accurate, their main aspects as deities originally were music and the hunt

-titans and gods aren't two wholly different concepts, titan is just the word used to decribe the generation of gods before the olympians

-hector isn't the villain some people make him out to be

-hephaestus WAS married to aphrodite. they divorced. yes, divorce was a thing in ancient greece. hephaestus' wife is aglaia

-ancient greek society didn't have the same concepts of sexuality that we have now, it's incorrect to describe virgin goddesses like artemis and athena as lesbians, BUT it's also not wholly accurate to describe them as aromantic/asexual, it's more complex than that

-you can never fully understand certain myths if you don't understand the societal context in which they were told

-myths have lots and lots of retellings, there isn't one singular "canon", but we can try to distinguish between older and newer versions and bewteen greek and roman versions

-most of what you know about sparta is probably incorrect

-reading/waching retellings is not a substitute to reading the original myths, read the iliad! read the odyssey! i know they may seem intimidating, but they're much more entertaining than you may think

greek mythology is so complex and interesting, don't go into it with preconcieved notions! try to be open to learn!

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Tfw the princess slays you back

VIKTOR NATION EMERGENCY MEETING:

WHO TOLD HARRY LLOYD ABOUT US.

I’m writing a fic where the consciousness inside the Hexcore turns into an actual person and now it’s all I can think about 🧍

Can you please just do a whole yap festival on redo tophabe I love them dearly and I want to hear more about them/nf

BUT OF COURSEEE!!!!!!

WARNGING IG... LONGER POST THAN USUAL I THINK SO EVERYONE GET READY

ANYWAY starting off with my intention with them.... basically i just wanted to give them more development than in the show, and more reasons to stick together, other than topher is just a freak and abe is his friend ig. kinda.

friendship they forgot about in s3 BUT WHATEVERRR SIGHHHHH

anyway so here's ah, master post I guess?? gonna talk about all the stages of their relationship, and if anyone wants to know more feel free to send an ask or comment or idk!!!

anywho. redo tophabe intro!

I try to make them complement each other in a way

like in the show, they meet because of the activity harriet hosts of walking in someone else's shoes, literally

and at first, they don't really click, i think that's funny tbh. Abe is just confused about everything that's going on and he can't even have a moment to talk to Joan, and Topher well he's there, and he's the only one that abe has in that moment to make him company, and topher offers his help so abe can understand this new era he woke up in

and since here, they establish this dynamic of topher being Abe's guide, and also of topher just bossing around Abe and abe pretty much accepting that (the way they interact changes a bit with time, that's still pretty much their dynamic)

they start to hang out together but not really because they like each other's company, Abe is alone because joan is with jfk and gandhi is frozen so Topher is the only option left, and well Topher doesn't have other friends, so he doesn't really mind. Abe thinks he's kinda weird and annoying, but is grateful he takes the time to explain all the stuff he doesn't understand, topher thinks abe is dumb, but at least he has company now. so their first days hanging out are a little bit awkward.

the days pass, and then they start to create a genuine connection and start to well, like each other (in a platonic way, for now...) this doesn't mean their friendship is immediately perfect, but they give each other a sense of routine, something that abe appreciates now that everything has changed, and topher doesn't feel as lonely.

even though abe is from literally another era, he tries to understand Topher, and does it in a way, I mean yeah abe was popular for like 3 days, but he was a loser too (in a different way, but he was a loser too) and topher appreciates that. also they listen to whatever the other one says.

and with time, they slowly build a routine together, talking while they grab their stuff from their lockers, walking together to class, walking home together, eating lunch at each other's homes, and the most important thing: sleepovers at tophers house.

those were the thing that let their bond grow, the first time topher invited abe to a sleepover they have a deep talk about how Abe felt confused about the new stuff and couldn't figure out what to do, something that topher related to on his own way.

they learnt about the other ones routine, and needs, and even though Topher was selfish a lot of times, he still cared about Abe

physical affection is a key element too! at first Topher is the one to suddenly grab abe by the hand or the arm, or even pulling him closer or pushing him away (like he does in s2e1) also abe carries around topher like he did in s2e10, it's something usual for them

and Abe is okay with that! and even hugs him too

and they even cuddle together during their sleepovers. in a totally straight way. of course ❤️

and yeah, they have a nice friendship! not perfect, of course, and they have other friendships, but theyre each other's favorite

months later, topher starts developing a crush on abe, but he takes his time to figure it out. abe developes a crush too but some time later than Topher, but he's still with the idea of wanting Joan, making him not figure it out either.

Topher discovers the shadow board plans

topher and abe friendship starts during September 2023, around the middle of may 2024 topher discovers the government secret plans for the clones, more specifically, candides plan.

we're not talking about that rn bc is not important

since Abe is Topher's best friend, he goes to him and tells him what he discovered, Abe thinks it's a joke and doesn't believe him, which makes topher mad, and now decides that he's gonna ruin the board plans just to prove Abe wrong, and to end up being Abe's hero, all behind his back.

around this time, Harriet gets the new obsession of becoming a journalist, and while trying to find something interesting to write about she finds Topher trying to sneak in the sub principals office, or well candides office.

long story short, Topher tells Harriet what he discovered and they start working together to find more information, this resulting in them hanging out before classes, or even during lunch time some times.

from Abe's pov, topher just suddenly has a shift in his attitude, and even though they're still together a lot of the time, now topher starts rejecting him or avoiding him some days, something weird, and Abe knows there's something up but he doesn't know why.

one day, he sees them together, and starts suspecting topher has a crush on her or something like that, and well he gets jealous, I mean he was jealous of Cleo hanging out with jfk in s1, so it makes sense to me

and, on top of this, the death maze happens

(the death maze in this au is a yearly event where basically they do different activities like treasure hunting, it started for the second generation clones. this year scudworth put a lot of pressure on the clones, affecting more the old clones who never had something like that)

so both topher and abe are stressing out, and this starts shattering their friendship, plus the fact that topher never told Abe about his friendship with Harriet.

this leads us to ...

the tophabe break up arc

sigh gay people be having break ups without even dating damn.

during the death maze, Abe wants to stay with Topher, but Topher obviously has to go

this leads to a huge argument between them, abe basically gets mad and topher loses it, because in the end, he was making all of that just for abe, just so they could have a normal life. so Abe getting mad at him hurts him, and talks back, and they say to each other a lot of hurtful things that they don't really mean, but still.

the cherry on top for this drama is harriet going to topher and taking him with her, abe sees that, of course. topher decides to just leave. without arguing more.

now, here the au gets divided in two timelines, the government ending (basically the bad ending, the clone board it's created and just a few clones have control over the world, the rest die in cloney island) and the freedom ending (good ending, yay! the shadow board gets tired of this project and just leaves the clones in peace)

the things after the tophabe argument happened differently according to the timeline

in both timelines, topher meets the rest of the bleacher creatures and spends his time with them, creating new friendships. on abes side, he also has jfk and Confucius as his friends, their friendship start during the death maze.

in both timelines, too, they're both so annoying about the other one, topher is more emotional about it and abe just pretends to be okay but he's also emotional and misses topher so much and he can't even understand why. topher understand it a little bit more but it's still bitter about it, and even more because ivan just feeds this bitterness and angry feelings at abe, but he still misses him a lot

during sport seasons, the bleacher creatures plan to humiliate the cheerleading team.

cheerleader arc (both timelines)

Topher sneaks disguised as a girl cheerleader, etc etc really dumb arc hes popular Abe has a crush on him tries to get a date whateverrr. topher reveals the truth and they have a talk.

government ending

basically it goes wrong, and they repeat the same argument from the death maze, and this seems to shatter their friendship, if they still have one

they give up on being each other's friend again someday and go their separate ways

topher stays with the bleacher creatures, and Abe with jfk and confucius

they stop talking and just avoid each other

(in both time lines, abe dates Joan, but I'm still figuring out during what timeee, whatever, but it's happening)

they're both bitter and hate the other one, so topher does pranks on Abe and Abe just get mad. they both bury their feelings deep down.

until cloney island, the missile still happens, and basically they just talk again until it's about to hit, they finally forgive each other and admit their feelings for each other and kiss. yay ❤️

really nice and dramatic and romantic, until topher fucking dies and Abe gets traumatized

two years for that...sighhh....

sadlyyyyy talking more about this would require me to explain stuff I haven't explained yetttt so stay tuned for more ramblings

also this is more centered around the future but the futures in the au deserve their own post, sooo now we're going withhh...

freedom ending

in this timeline, the talk ends up with them forgiving each other and recovering their friendship. yay!

even though they have more friends, they're still each other's favorite, and they re establish their old routine, with some different things but still, they gain their bond again

the dynamic of topher bossing around Abe stays, but this time it's more accommodated to both and not just. Topher. because now Topher listens to abe more, and well he knows him so he also has what he would like/need in mind more, and abe still it's just ok with whatever he says

one of the reasons their friendship broke is because they had an idea of the other one that wasn't really accurate, in a way

because topher thought abe would always be there for him, even if he treated him badly, and that he didn't need to do anything else. abe thought topher wasn't incapable of actually hurting him or having any real bad intentions

so after they're friends again, they realize that well, they're human, and they're not perfect, and the other one is capable of hurting them, but that's why they need to be civil and think about the other one . or wherever not that I care sigh

now topher is conscious he likes abe, but denies it, Topher comphet if you will.

abe dates Joan, but realizes he likes topher, kinda what happened with Cleo and joan in s1

after that, he tries to get with Topher but fails because Topher is in denial for a while, and now is abe the one who randomly grabs Topher hand, or hugs him, topher is okay with this, he's happy, but again he's denial and thinks Abe is just being friendly or whatever #healthymalefriendship ig

and this goes for around idk, a month, or two at max, but finally topher decides to ask Abe out in a totally platonic date

they get ready with the help of their friends, and after a nice afternoon, FINALLY.... FINALLY AFTER. A YEAR AND HALF I THINK. THWY CONFESS AND DATE, EVERYONE CHEREEDDDDD!!!!

whatever cringiest couple at clone high

they marry btw in the future. and have a daughter. this redo au shit serious bc it has lore until the clones adulthood.

it's not like there's a shift in the way they treat each other, they're just more romantic with words, and they kiss ig, and of course they're more open about their psychical affection, and feel more free bc before yeah it was nice for them but kinda awkward bc they were scared to make the other one uncomfortable

idk abe is really cheesy (is that the word?) with his partners so yeah he's like that with Topher, sigh he loves so much that ugly man

and topher too, on his own way, he's still a freak but loves abe and shows it the way he can

at cloney island they get separated, but Abe searches for him because he knows that's Topher's worst nightmare sighh I hate that one scene in the show.

so yeah they're together here too but as a couple and topher doesn't fucking die

links to interesting stuff!!

I'm gonna leave here the link to the redo tophabe playlist and the fanfics I've made for them

fanfic 1 - angsty topher centric one shot about their break up arc

fanfic 2 - them being gay during their sleepovers

AH AH AHH!!

so yeah that's all I have to say rn sadly I've been busy with school stuff I'm writing this rn just because I don't have a class I was supposed to have whatver dramatic yaoi is more important

I hope anyone who reads this likes it they're so dramatic and THEYEE THE WORST SITUATIONSHIP EVER SIGHHHHHHH

and during the early stage of the au I wanted them to be just one sided, topher being the one in love ofc and Abe well he was just there. and it was gonna stay like that forever ig it was supposed to be DUMB!!! but at some point the drama started and I got too carried away heh whatever

for more ramblings and drawings check the tophabe and ch:rd tophabe tags

the tophabe tag has regular clone high stuff too I'm still working on the tag system and including the early stuff!! because the tag system is from like 3 weeks ago, and I've been posting about this au since February so yeaahhhh.....

sorry for all the typos and grammar errors and weird phrasinggg im incapable of making a coherent tumblr post

OK THAT'S ALL ANON I HOPE U ENJOY THIS!!!!