Maybe A QnA And We Can Send You Qs?

I made an edit (edit? does it count? whatever i’ll just say it does) of American Beauty, American Psycho by Fall Out Boy for Sander Sides! UGHH this took so lonngggggggg lol

warnings/triggers in tags!! hope you enjoy!!!

a story in seven parts

Uhhh everyone in my house is tense and feeling terrible and I don’t know how to make everyone happpyyyy ahhhhhhhhhh

Like I wanna try to talk to the people that are upset or make them a gift or something but I don’t know if the attention will annoy them and I don’t want to bother anyone and ahhhhhhh

I’m so lost on what to do

okay so I’d like to present a new theory

The Yin Yang Theory

Okay so basically we all know what the symbol looks like right?

this pretty rad lookin thing, pretty lit huh?

Anyway Yin Yang doesn’t necessarily represent opposites but two foils that are interdependent, two opposing things that rely on each other to create balance.

Well, the “core” sides and the “dark” sides are very good foils like Patton and Janus are foils and Roman and Remus are foils. (okay stay with me y’all)

well in SVSR, right next to the 07734 number, there’s this

“Thomas = 8”

Which means that there probably is 8 sides! Okay now back to the Yin Yang-

On the white side there’s a black dot and on the black side there’s a white dot-

What if.... the dots represent Virgil and his counterpart.. on opposite sides from where they originally were? Like there’s a dark side in the “light” side and a “light” side on the dark side? If it’s true that means the sides represent more than just parts of Thomas’ personality, they could represent balance! It could also mean that despite their differences they rely and depend on each other!

TL;DR: The Sides represent inner balance and interdependency-

“don’t overthink it” stfu and watch me: an analysis

this card, in the beginning of the episode, sets the tone for this episode. and it makes sense! such an unofficial video, which was very last-minute, doesn’t necessarily need a ton of context. “wherever it would hypothetically make sense” is the place of this episode in the timeline.

thomas told us that, so if we take that at face value, this could possibly take place at any time in the timeline. he also told us not to overthink this. but uh. shut your fuck. 

now, of course, this episode couldn’t possibly take place before the crofters episode. and since logan is shown still eating his jam, most people have reasonably assumed that this episode is chronologically right after crofters the musical. it may have been months in real life, but the tss timeline is separate, so it’s reasonable that this could be a post-crofters video.

and what would that mean? crofters the musical was released in april of 2018. deceit had been revealed two episodes prior, but lntao and the svs debacle was far yet to come. at first, this matches the video. it’s just the core four being friends! and they seem to get along a bit better than they would after pof.

but. “whenever it would make sense for this to happen,” as thomas said. does immediately post-crofters the musical really make sense? the more i looked, the more i found that it could be more complicated than that. in fact, i found some evidence that didn’t match up at all.

it’s likely that this all anecdotal evidence that doesn’t matter, and that i’m overanalyzing this and incorrect, but fuck it. it’s not that deep, but i can convince myself it is. here’s why i think this episode wasn’t that early on in the timeline, and my theory on what really happened.

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Made-up fic title: Forget-me-not Blue (Have a lovely day!)

Cannonverse Time-Loop,  platonic DLAMP and Demus, Janus centric 

So after Putting Others First ends, Patton suggest Janus come to breakfast with the light sides the next day. It will give them a chance to explain everything that’s happened to Logan and Virgil, and he and Roman can *dad hint* both apologise and make up after they’ve both had some sleep/ time to cool off. 

Jan isn’t so sure it’s going to be that easy to make nice with the others but he’s willing to give it a shot. So he makes a suitably dramatic entrance the next day, appearing in the kitchen whilst the others are setting out breakfast.

It does not go well.

Patton shrieks when he appears, completely surprised. Roman pulls his sword out, Logan scowls and Virgil demands “what the hell do you think you’re doing here Deceit?” Janus looks at Patton expecting him to explain (and kind’ve annoyed he didn’t tell the others he was coming tbh) and Patton looks…scared. And just as confused as everyone else. After standing there in awkward silence for a moment Vigil snaps out something like ‘don’t you think things are already stressful enough with the stupid wedding today without you showing up?”

Which - the stupid wedding today? Janus checks the calendar on the fridge. And then goes back to his room to check his own calendar. It’s April 13th. Again. 

So the first repeat Jan manages to convince himself that he dreamt the first April 13th. He always tries to plan out his various schemes/interactions with people so meticulously- maybe he’s just doing it in his sleep now (it would explain the whole giant frog thing). But he goes through the whole day and it’s identical to his ‘dream’ (including the giant frog thing). And at the end of it he wakes up and its April 13th again.

By loop 3 he decides this is Romans fault. He’s the only one who left the discussion in the original timeline unhappy, and as creativity he’s a pretty powerful side - he cant affect the real world but he could potentially create a fantasy ‘time loop’ scenario in the imagination and stick Janus in it. He spends multiple loops trying to keep Roman happy, stalking him to see if he does…something… after the discussion to cause the loop (he never does), learning as much as he possibly can about him (and in the process starts to feel seriously guilty about how his actions in his previous two episodes have affected Roman) and eventually they get to a loop where Roman ends up agreeing and even defending Janus at the end of the discussion. Both of them, Patton and Thomas leave happy and Jan goes to sleep thinking he’s finally fixed it. And then he wakes up and it’s April 13th.

He decides maybe it’s not Roman. He goes through a very similar process with Patton, then Logan, he pulls Virgil into the discussion (which blows up SPECTACULARLY the first 6 or so run throughs) and does the same thing with him, learning more and more about them each time.  The (60th? 200th? he has lost track completely) loop, everything is perfect. Virgil joins in the post wedding discussion. Logan get’s to say his piece, in person, with everyone listening to him. Roman understands that he was pushed into making a decision he wasn’t happy with and that no one blames him. Patton is able to understand that it’s okay to not know everything, and that its unfair for Thomas and the  others to expect him to, without turning into a giant frog. Janus reveals him name and no one laughs. They all leave as friends.

He wakes up and it’s April 13th.

He goes to their breakfast again. Flips the table over and bursts into tears. He’s tired. 

He’s able to convince them he’s in a time loop by telling them things they’ve told him in previous loops. This is the first time he’s asked for help and is a bit shocked when they agree. After suggesting multiple ideas that he has already tried Logan suggests Thomas could be the problem - not during the discussion that Janus has been focusing on but somthing that happened during the rest of his day.

So, montage of Jannus trying to fix everying that Thomas does that day. With ideas ranging from ‘get off your fucking phone and talk to someone at this wedding you sad sack of sh*t” to “ring the callback people at 6 am and tell them you changed your mind. DO IT DO IT DO IT”. Nothing works. 

One loop (83? 356? he has no idea) whilst Janus is lieing face down in a bowl of cereal and the others are brainstomring ideas he has already tried, Virgil laughs and says it’s a shame Jan got caught up in a time loop and not him. Janus frowns at him 

“what?”

“well…. you can literally say or do whatever you want and there’s no consequences. Even if you say something stupid everyone will have forgotten by the next day. It’s…kinvde my dream honestly”

“…huh.”

SO, comedy montage of Janus living all of his best lives. He flings a ‘The Office’ DVD box set at Thomas’ head whilst screaming SELF CARE BITCH. He traps everyone in the theatre and performs a choreographed rendition of razzle dazzle to slightly confused applause. He spends entire days naked. He invents a new cocktail. He unleashes the orange side and watches the chaos whilst lazing on the sofa in a face mask. He snogs all the other sides at LEAST once each. He heads to Remus room and enlists him transform the whole mindscape into a beach. After spending the day building sand castles (or sand brothels in Remus’ case) and watching the other sides battle a kraken Remus grins at him and says 

“That was fun! What do you wanna do tomorrow?”

And Jan kind’ve sighs and shrugs because he really should be getting back to trying to fix this whole mess..and Remus scowls and says “oh right. You’ll want to be getting back to your real best friends”

Jan frowns. “You’re my best friend idiot”

Remus rolls his eyes. “Yeah. That’s why it’s taken one hundred and eighteen Aprils 13ths for you to even come and see me”.

Janus stares at him. He hadn’t told Remus about the time loop when he came to him with the beach plan.

His original idea about creativity being the only side who might be able to cause this? 

Looks like he wasn’t wrong after all.

Remus, desperate not to loose his only friend after Jan started making nice with the light sides, has either consciously or subconsciously trapped them both in this time loop on the last day where they were both ‘dark sides’.

And with Remus quickly running away after their conversation, Janus still doesn’t know how to fix it. 

For the fake fic titles asks (please do NOT send me anymore to do for now)

If Deceit doesn’t get a redemption arc, or the sides don’t start at least /trying/ to listening to him, I will be so pissed off. Mainly because Deceit is in the exact same position that Virgil was in when he was first introduced to the series, and Virgil is the one giving him the /least/ amount of respect. 

Right, let me paint a picture in your head. You are known by those around you as someone who hurts others, brings them down, and makes them unsure of themselves. You finally decide to reveal yourself to an audience of people, your entrance less than grateful. The ones who know you as ‘horrible’ continue to be rude to you, and though you find a lot of enjoyment in making them mad, a small part of you wants to be accepted. 

Who does that description apply to? Virgil and Deceit? Well, it’s BOTH.  

Right now, Deceit’s in the spot Virgil was in when the others still didn’t trust him much, like in “A New Year of Lying to Myself... In Song!!” Both giving advice to help Thomas and make him more truthful to himself, having one person hate them more than the others (for Virgil that was Roman, for Deceit it was Virgil). Deceit’s in the same boat Virgil was in. So, if they follow the same pattern, Deceit should start being trusted more in the next few episodes... right?

Well, the main difference that might stop that is that fact that Deceit doesn’t have a ‘Patton’; the one person that even though they might not fully agree with what you are doing stills treats you nicely and with respect (the first time Patton speaks directly to Virgil is in “I’M IN A DISNEY SHOW!!!!,” saying, “Anxiety, leave him alone...” but he doesn’t /yell/ at Virgil; he says it with a smile and politely raises his hand) (Also, the others don’t treat Deceit nicely either. When Patton is up to the stand with Deceit as witness, he says he needs to “Just get this over with.”). 

VIRGIL should be Deceit’s ‘Patton’; saying things like, “Come on guys, just listen to him. You guys listened to me when I first came around, we should do the same for him.” But NO. Virgil treats Deceit with such rudeness that it appalls me. 

“But Deceit probably hurt Virgil! The others knew about how bad Deceit was and not Virgil!”

That’s untrue. Virgil’s first video, the second Roman notices Virgil, he says, “Oooh, okay, I can’t stand that guy.” Roman, Patton, and Logan are all aware of both Virgil and Deceit’s existence, and the three know that they are ‘bad’.

If nobody even bothers to attempt to listen to him, clocking out might not even work because nobody would even care. 

Sorry, this got overly long. I’m just kind of mad at the ‘Light Sides’ atm. Feel free to debate about this with me.

Selfishness VS Selflessness was good and all but

The final decision was so, so, so wrong.

Thomas should’ve gone to do the callback. He should’ve gone to try to get the role.

And they should’ve listened more to Deceit.

I understand.

Believe me: I understand that the wedding was important, it is one of the most important moments of one’s life.

But the thing is? Thomas shouldn’t have gone.

1) Deceit was right since the beginning. Thomas didn’t want to go to the wedding from the very first moment.

“Admit it! What am I doing here right now, Thomas? Am I the snake coming to trick you into sinning? Or have you had your mind made up since the moment you receveid the news about the callback? You didn’t even forget about the wedding, did you? IT WAS ALL AN ACT!” (Deceit, 34:26 - 34:43)

“FINE! I WANT TO GO TO THE CALLBACK!” (Thomas, the moment after)

And why is that? Well, Thomas made it perfectly clear.

He didn’t want to go because he would’ve been playing games on his phone for the whole time (and no shade, that’s pretty disrepectful?) because he didn’t want to be shoven in his own face the fact that he is still single while his friends are getting married. He said he’s afraid to go.

He’s so romantic, as Roman shows us, and so affectionate, as Patton displays. And in Moving On, he made clear that his breakup was a massive, heartcrushing thing for him. And the fact that he hasn’t been able to find love again makes him almost miserable.

“And on top of that, a dream come true falling into my lap scheduled on the same day! ANYONE would want to go to the callback!” (Thomas, 34:55)

He’s destroyed by the whole situation.

2) “So yeah! I tried to force myself to forget about the wedding, and now I wanna lie to my friends so they don’t HATE ME for not supporting them!” (Thomas, following the line above)

That’s bad. That’s really bad.

Thomas didn’t have to lie. Lying was something that Roman brought up. Lying was something that Thomas thought about.

Lying was never anything that Deceit proposed throughout the whole video.

Why is that bad?

Because that’s not Selflessness. That’s self-destruction.

Thomas has to learn that he CAN’T always put others first.

Sure! His friends will be upset about the fact that he isn’t able to come to their special day! But Guess What?? If they truly support him, they will encourage him to go to the callback and follow his drams! They would push him to do what’s best for himself!!

Because if they don’t do that, they are not good friends. Thomas is not skipping the wedding because he doesn’t feel like it, but because he has a life-changing opportunity going on! And if they don’t at least try to understand and don’t get mad because they know how much acting means to Thomas, they are selfish. They are not good friends.

3) “How would you feel about that?” (Patton, telling Roman that Imaginary!Eliza wouldn’t go to his imaginary wedding because she had others things to do, 25:39)

“It wouldn’t bother me. Her not being there doesn’t change the fact that it’s MY big day.” (Roman, in response.)

“You wouldn’t miss ‘Liza May Manelly?” (Patton)

“SOOOOO? I would be devasted! But you know what?? She is her own person, and she has her own life, I can’t take that from her. Her being at the wedding is for me. And if I forced her to be there, when she didn’t want to go, then I would be the selfish one.” (Roman)

Thomas wouldn’t be selfish. Their friends would be.

If you always, always put others first, you’ll never take care of yourself. You can’t always be the best person for others, sometimes you have to be a good person for yourself, if it for a good reason.

About Deceit:

¾) Thomas and the ‘Light Sides’ stopped listening to Deceit after a bit. When was that? When Thomas acknowledged that Deceit had been right the whole time, and ROMAN NEEDS TO GET HIMSELF TOGETHER.

And they never let him explain the actual point of what he was trying to do.

“It’s my sworn duty to help Thomas achieve his hopes and dreams. But Thomas wouldn’t dream of attaining his hopes through deceitful means.” (Roman right after the sentence, 34:25)

“BUT THAT’S NOT TRUE!” (Deceit)

Look at his face as he says “That’s not true.” He’s helpless. They stopped listening to his point of view and are back on the fact that he is Deceit, and deceit only. He doesn’t know what to do to be heard anymore.

Roman??? Sweetie??? You were the first one to suggest to lie and say Aunt Patty was at the ospital?? In ‘Can LYING Be Good?’ he was the one that supported lying to Joan???

He shouldn’t have said that phrase while blaming Deceit for it, since HE was the one that suggested deceitful means in the first place.

“I don’t understand. You got what you wanted. You proved that I’m not as honest as I’d like to believe.” (Thomas, 36:40)

“But you’re STILL missing the point!” (Deceit)

He’s struggling because they won’t listen. They don’t want to listen.

“Okay, let me put it this way! Life is like a piñata!” (Deceit)

He’s trying to make it as simple as possible so they will listen and understand like Roman did about the compromising thing.

Deceit explains that if you take the blindfond off, it will be easier to get the piñata. And what do they get out of it?

That he suggesting of beating up someone and rob their unconcious body.

“NO!!”

He’s literally chocked. They are twisting his every word AGAINST him.

“I’m trying to teach you a lesson, but it’s literally impossible!”

He looses all the cool and the calm that he had during the entire video. He can’t do it anymore. He fought against them the whole time to be heard and understood, but when he is proven correct, at the very last moment, they stop listening definitely.

And then Logan definitely shuts him up, and that’s it.

“I’m sure that Thomas’ friends would love to know that he is forcing himself to attend their wedding. It’s clear that you all don’t want to listen to reason.” (Deceit, 37:43, before sinking out.)

5) They never asked him his purposes. Sorry if at this point of the post I’m too tired to look it up, but he asked Logan and Roman if their sole purposes were to be Logic and Creativity, and both said no.

Maybe, if they had asked Deceit the same thing, he would’ve been able to be understood better.

6) When popping up, he keeps changing himself into someone Thomas will listen to (first Patton, now Logan) in hope to be listened to.

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So, I don’t know.

I loved the episode! There were many funny moments and I love every second when Deceit was on screen, but honestly?

If he doesn’t get reedemed, it might not be his fault. If he wants to be part of the conversation and they cut him off, it’s theirs and Thomas’ lost.

Deceit is trying his best.

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People wonder why content creators slow down....

And those same people refuse to acknowledge that though the notes say 1000+ or 2000+ or 3000+?

A 4/5th, 5/6th, 6/7th, etc of those notes?

They’re all likes.

That happening is like looking someone in the eye and going “Look, look at this! Here are so many people who will tell you that you’re talented, but oh, wait? What’s this? Only a fraction of them think it’s good enough for other people to love as well.”

What’s the point of writing content if there is no spreading, reaching branches of that content being shared?

People put out content for three reasons:

They love making it, they want/hope other people to/will love it, and they want it to reach as many people as possible.

But love is sensitive, love is fragile, and it’s so, so, so easy to fall out of love with doing something if it doesn’t get the support it needs.

The next time you wonder why your content creators are slowing down? 

Reblog.

Use tags pertaining to what the post is about WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE of the tags - because not tagging is another way that spread is limited – on this hellsite, unless the thing your searching for is in the tags or in the post itself? Not going to find it.

Thomas’s latest tweet is stressing me out so im going to add up the amount of time it takes to watch all of sanders sides because easyish math comforts me

will update with results